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Surface

Really love the idea and concept of the surface, but it is a pretty lousy tablet because it is "difficult" to use in landscape mode. But I love the keyboard, built in kickstand. I know more and more people who are using it at conferences and the like. I've tried various keyboard solutions for my ipad 2 and non of them are really adequate.
 
I know Apple probably is weary about releasing an official keyboard for the iPad as it will most likely further eat into their laptop sales, but they are losing money to 3rd party keyboard makers. Plus an Apple keyboard would probably have much, much higher design and build quality.
 
This keynote is going to be a real dud if the iPads don't have TouchID, gold, no apple tv announced, no iWatch etc.
 
I'd take it a step further with "the my <favorite tech company> is better than yours" rhetoric is tiresome... I read it here from Mac/iOS nerds and I hear it at the office from Linux/Android nerds...

At the end of the day, it just a ****ing phone/tablet/computer and these companies don't need to be defended by a bunch of whiny nerds...

I cringe when I read forums (any forums!)... But yet I still read them... so it is my fault if I'm annoyed....

It's not even anything to do with technology. It's just people (esp young males) railing against authority figures. Whoever is currently perceived as the most dominant will get it.
 
Well, this is the first time (that I know of) Apple would copy Microsoft implementation.

ready your photocopier cupertino.

The key here is your phrase "that I know of". There's a lot of stuff in OS X and iOS that others had before Apple and where Apple then "sherlocked" the ideas of other developers.

Apple's Finder, just to give a very, very old example, in the beginning only had a large icon view. Windows Explorer, on the other hand, came out with a structured tree view and detailed list views. A while later, Apple's Finder also had these views. Yes, that's a tiny detail - but an important one. And it's an implementation that Microsoft had before them.

Windows also already had preemptive multitasking YEARS before Mac OS X brought it; the old Mac OS never could do that.

Microsoft introduced the Mach kernel archtiecture with Windows NT 3.1, which came out in the early 1990s. Apple introduced the Mach kernel architecture after they had bought NeXT and transformed NeXTstep into OS X - which was in the early 2000s.

There is this thing called web browser. Before Apple took an Open Source project and built Safari on top of it, they actually were shipping Microsoft Internet Explorer with their Macs.

Windows Mobile powered touch-based phones I don't know how many years before Apple released the original iPhone.

Bill Gates demonstrated tablet computers with Windows years before there was an iPad.


But this whole discussion is completely useless. Over the decades, both companies have borrowed a lot of ideas from each other. The process is called innovation. Only Apple is childish enough to pretend that they are the mother of all invention while all others only steal from them. And apparently only Apple customers believe that nonsense.
 
If this is real, there's a good possibility it won't since the 5 will have a different form factor.

Not everything has to be backwards compatible. If you want it, you buy the new one.

I meant as opposed to the mini two :p

I'd still be buying the new. I just like the smaller form factor and don't want to lose out in features because of that.
 
I think that it is important for Apple to do something here. This is the one thing that MicroSoft got right. The Tablet is replacing the lower end of the laptop market and having a keybord is important even in a touch screen environment. If someone want to do text editing on their tablet, a physical keybord will always be better than the virtual one (even though I use it and like it for shorter sessions). Maybe one day the dication will be good enough that keybords really are not needed, but we are not there yet. If Apple truly is thinking about a 12" iPad, I cannot see how they would market this with a keybord.

Bottom line, this is good if true and I hope they do something awesome. I have been wanting a keybord for my iPad, but most are still too bulky. I look forward to something awesome from jony!

The bold word: Did you mean "without"?

I'd say the Microsoft integrated keyboard was better than Apple's keyboard - it also cost twice as much! And I suppose about 10% of customers are interested, maybe even less. Which explains Microsoft's huge sales numbers :D

Yes, 12" iPad with keyboard integrated would kill the Surface. Maybe not kill, more like "drag the dead body out of its grave and deposit it in the landfill".
 
Last time I checked, the Surface products were not the first with detachable keyboards -- so they're not copying Microsoft so much. Microsoft just has the most marketing dollars behind their push, and is the most recent "new" thing with it.

The iPad was hardly the first tablet either, with Microsoft doing them almost a decade before. But Apple takes credit for "doing it right", and setting the standard by which others copy.

Microsoft can take the same credit for integrated keyboard cover. I've used both the type and touch covers on a Surface Pro that we are testing at work. Both are extremely well designed and are now the benchmark that others (including Apple) will copy.

Unfortunately, that's about where my admiration of the Surface Pro ends. The device is well made and has a great screen, but I don't like using it at all. The tall aspect ratio and weight make the tablet awkward, the text and touch areas of the desktop apps are way too small, and I don't like Windows 8... but the keyboard cover and kickstand implementations will help the market as a whole.
 
Cover Touch is a JOKE

But... The 'Type' touch is INCREDIBLE! The Cover feels weird to type on, it tricks your fingers as it has the texture of a physical button but obviously does not have the 'feedback'. Type on the other hand is a tiny keyboard.
 
Exactly. You know, just like Samsung's smartwatch is a copy of Apple's never-released and maybe never developed iWatch,...

Which explains the exquisite and universally acclaimed user interface of Samsung's smart watch...:D

Samsung didn't copy TVs from Apple, just as they didn't copy vacuum cleaners from Apple. Doesn't mean they didn't copy...
 
Lol, where are all the "COPYERZZZZZZ" post?

Apple is clearly copying The Surface, but I'm sure the fanboyz will find a way to justify it.

But we all know when another phone with a finger scanner comes out everyone's going to be like "THESE PPL ALWAYS COPY APPLE!?!"

You do know that Apple hold the patent for this and cross license with MS.
 
It's just how this works in most cases. If Apple does something, it's done right. Microsoft takes the opposite approach (Windows 8 UI, Xbox One technical aspecs, Office on Mac, and the list can go on and on).

There isn't actually anything wrong with the Microsoft Surface keyboard. _If_ you wanted a tablet with a keyboard. Except that Microsoft tried marketing it as the _huge_ selling point - which it isn't. And that the price they quoted didn't include the huge cost for that supposedly _huge_ selling point.
 
Only Apple is childish enough to pretend that they are the mother of all invention while all others only steal from them. And apparently only Apple customers believe that nonsense.

Only a handful of trolls, and troll fellow-travelers such as yourself, believe the statements above. The rest of your post made sense, but you ruined it.
 
"But if Apple did this I'd bet it would be better than Microsoft's implementation."

So typical - pooh-poohed when Microsoft puts it out BUT deemed brilliant when Apple takes it market.

The fanboyz rhetoric is tiresome, ain't it.

This story should be required reading for anyone that uses that dumb "Samesung" comment
 
probably true

I think this is probably going to be true, for a couple reasons. One, there has been a LOT of pricing drops on the current aluminium wireless keyboard, as low as 30$..so something new is probably coming.

also, the price of LOG has been up nearly 33% in the past month, so something is up there. Big hedgies were moving into the stock and they could be a manufacturer, supplier or acquiree for apple for a product like this.
 
i think this is probably going to be true, for a couple reasons. One, there has been a lot of pricing drops on the current aluminium wireless keyboard, as low as 30$..so something new is probably coming.

Also, the price of log has been up nearly 33% in the past month, so something is up there. Big hedgies were moving into the stock and they could be a manufacturer, supplier or acquiree for apple for a product like this.

what!!!!
 
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