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It would be great if an M3 pro had the same 16 CPU cores…

I don’t think I would need a 40 core GPU, but a 16 core CPU and a 20 core GPU M3 Pro would be a sweet spot for me.

Let’s hope the next generation of Apple Silicon integrates a bigger and more versatile Neural Engine.
I’m not even sure if codes are helpful that much. My M1 MBP does fine with what I use it for (Illustrator, iMovie, etc..)

If anything, I’d like to see cheaper memory options. Paying almost a grand for 64GB is absurd. I’d like to see Apple halve the memory prices, same with SSD’s.
 
The rate at which people switch from pc to apple has steadily declined. With pc manufactures making compelling alternatives at much more affordable pricing and replaceability. All without pricy warranties. Apple makes top tier products. But they are far from the only one doing that.
Eh, I’ll take the cheapest MBA over any PC from Costco at the same price. It’ll blow it away in terms of performance too.

I tried a Costco laptop that was $900 and it was slow. Immediate return.

Ended up getting a Surface Pro instead to have Windows 11 for some work apps.
 
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I wish they would make a high end desktop chip. The Ultra is amazing for what it is, but can't compete with NVIDIA high-end and workstation GPUs.

The M3 Ultra is going to surprise a lot of people. However, the bigger issue, is how optimized software is for Apple's new GPU's. Until more developers are willing to make that effort, NVIDIA and AMD GPUs will always have much better performance.

There are plenty of videos showing just how well gaming can be, even on a MacBook Air, if and when developers take the time to write games from the ground up for Metal and Apple's GPUs.
 
Yea the apple silicon is hitting a wall. For the foreseeable future it’s gonna be more cores upon more cores upon more cores.

Apple is more interested in efficiency. The same cores run in everything from an Watch up to the Mac Pro. No other chip designer has this kind of versatility.
 
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The M3 Ultra is going to surprise a lot of people. However, the bigger issue, is how optimized software is for Apple's new GPU's. Until more developers are willing to make that effort, NVIDIA and AMD GPUs will always have much better performance.

There are plenty of videos showing just how well gaming can be, even on a MacBook Air, if and when developers take the time to write games from the ground up for Metal and Apple's GPUs.

Amd outperforms apple silicon even on metal performance

Here you go @Juraj22:

 
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I wish they would make a high end desktop chip. The Ultra is amazing for what it is, but can't compete with NVIDIA high-end and workstation GPUs.
So you have a task you do on your computer and the Apple M2 ultra is slowing you down?

Machine learning is one such task, but I'd never do that on my desktop computer. I don't want my main desktop computer occupied doing number crunching for days and weeks at a time. This kind of computation is best done on cloud servers. These servers would typically have Nvidia A100 GPU cards in them. A computer like this is completely unaffordable, but we can rent time on them as needed.

The local desktop computer is best used for interactive tasks where a user is sitting in front of the screen. For big compute tasks, use the server farm.

So, what interactive tasks do you do where the M2 ultra is too slow?

I claim that people saying a custom PC can in theory be faster don't really have the need for this.
 
Hold on, let me grab my M3 benchmarks. 🙄

And you're completely ignoring performance per watt.
By the time m3 is out intel and amd will also have faster chips.

Fact is apple is lagging in performance

Personally I could not care less about performance per watt since I have no interest in laptops or tablets
 
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If anything, I’d like to see cheaper memory options. Paying almost a grand for 64GB is absurd. I’d like to see Apple halve the memory prices, same with SSD’s.
Going to 64 GB RAM on an M2 Max costs +$400. Given how well Apple's UMA RAM performs and having spent ~+$400 for 2 MB of third party RAM in the past, the $400 seems fair to me. Folks should read up on Apple's Unified Memory Architecture before whining about RAM costs.

My expectation is that over the next few years (life cycle of any new box) OS and apps will evolve to really take advantage of the UMA. I did put my money where my mouth is and put 96 GB in the M2 MBP even though today 64 GB suffices fine for me.
 
Beside the new chip, what changes you expect on the new MBP?

no notch? 😁
less weight? (specially the 16)
At some point I expect Apple to use the M3 efficiency to give us a bit thinner/lighter MBP. Not for me, since I bought the M2 Max and personally do not care much about thinner/lighter, but it will be a sales booster.

A maxed-out M2 Max MBP already is so strong with great battery that the M3 power improvements will not really matter much. Display tech keeps evolving, so the already excellent display can also be improved.
 
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Fact is apple is lagging in performance

Personally I could not care less about performance per watt since I have no interest in laptops or tablets
1) Apple is not lagging in performance for the 90+% of personal computers sold. Apple being the fourth largest seller and the most profitable (and with the best boxes IMO). Yes Apple lags in performance at the small volume hot high wattage end of PC sales.

2) Personally IMO everyone should care about performance per watt since global warming and general common sense. The old uber-hot approach to performance is outdated and inappropriate. We can compute better. Kudos to Apple for moving in the direction of improving efficiency.
 
1) Apple is not lagging in performance for the 90+% of personal computers sold. Apple being the fourth largest seller and the most profitable (and with the best boxes IMO). Yes Apple lags in performance at the small volume hot high wattage end of PC sales.

2) Personally IMO everyone should care about performance per watt since global warming and general common sense. The old uber-hot approach to performance is outdated and inappropriate. We can compute better. Kudos to Apple for moving in the direction of improving efficiency.

I actually more or less agree with both of your points

The point remains that apple is not making the fastest chips so to comment, as someone here did based solely on m3 chips existing that intel and amd are “in shambles,” is ludicrous
 
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No, they focus where the overwhelming market buys, which is consumer-pro level and cover that incredibly well with the M1-M2 Ultra product lines. I imagine the subset of users and use case scenarios that warrant the 2019 Mac Pro are incredibly small. Apple may or may not develop a full 2019 MacPro replacement in the near future but their product lineup is comprehensive and is definitely satisfying the overwhelming majority market/profit needs.
If you destroy your pro market, applications and third party support will drop. This will cause a domino effect to eventually impact the low end “popular” devices. They are trashing the Mac name but again not focusing on the pro market.

I mean in 90% of cases it is NO CONTEST an i9 with a 4090 beats the best Apple could do? By a massive margin? This isn’t good. They dropped the ball HEAVILY with the 2023 Mac Pro. $3,000 just for the same performance of a Mac Studio? Macs will become even more of a joke than they are now. Which will affect marketshare. Which will affect how useful it can be used by consumers.
 
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Going to 64 GB RAM on an M2 Max costs +$400. Given how well Apple's UMA RAM performs and having spent ~+$400 for 2 MB of third party RAM in the past, the $400 seems fair to me. Folks should read up on Apple's Unified Memory Architecture before whining about RAM costs.

My expectation is that over the next few years (life cycle of any new box) OS and apps will evolve to really take advantage of the UMA. I did put my money where my mouth is and put 96 GB in the M2 MBP even though today 64 GB suffices fine for me.
Yep. And PC RAM isn’t always better. I paid the early adopter fee for DDR5 and spend over $1,000 on the RAM alone.
 
2) Personally IMO everyone should care about performance per watt since global warming and general common sense. The old uber-hot approach to performance is outdated and inappropriate. We can compute better. Kudos to Apple for moving in the direction of improving efficiency.
I want to. But in most ways Apple still can’t compete with the i9 4090 setup. I don’t think Apple would need 1000 watts like my PC does. My M2 Ultra Mac Studio barely goes above 100 watts.
 
I think there's plenty of CPU cores already. The only thing I can think of that could benefit from more CPU cores is video compression. GPU benefits more from the additional cores than the CPU. 12 CPU cores is probably already more than most people will need, but more GPU cores will help anyone working with 3D graphics - like when playing computer games.
I was being a little bit sarcastic, of course it is plenty of cpu power. For me that works with music and audio production there is basically 0 benefit of a gazillion of gpu power. Although the power of a m2 pro and max is more that enough for what I do, and the demand for more powerful GPU’s is bigger, it would be cool to see.
 
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Beside the new chip, what changes you expect on the new MBP?

Probably not many. Maybe newer HDMI, SD, etc.

no notch? 😁
less weight? (specially the 16)

Maybe a slight difference in weight, but almost certainly not a change like removing the notch. The design is less than two years old.

(And… remove it in favor of what? A dynamic island?)

Going to 64 GB RAM on an M2 Max costs +$400.

It would cost $800 on the M2 Pro, if it were an option, which you can see on their site:

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having spent ~+$400 for 2 MB of third party RAM in the past

Yes, we should evaluate Apple pricing in 2023 based on Commodore 64 pricing. That makes sense.


Folks should read up on Apple's Unified Memory Architecture before whining about RAM costs.

RAM that's expensive but also very fast is still RAM that's expensive.

 
No doubt, but "did you realize there are cheaper alternatives to Macs?" was an interesting conversation in 1993…

Yes, you can get higher-end Intel chips. But as far as performance per Watt goes, Apple has been leading.
On laptops makes sense because the battery will last longer, but on desktops, getting a better performance per watt is pretty much useless, specially if you are looking for ROI.
 
On laptops makes sense because the battery will last longer, but on desktops, getting a better performance per watt is pretty much useless, specially if you are looking for ROI.
To a large extent, yes. But I think Apple has been playing softball in the desktop market so far (understandable I suppose, they're less than three years into their transition). Their industry leading focus on power efficiency will serve them well when they decide to scale things out further, since they will be able to easily attain much higher performance in a 150-200W power envelope of a typical full desktop thermal solution.

To be honest, I'm surprised Apple hasn't done this yet. AMD's threadrippers still far outperform the M2 ultra in multithreaded benchmarks, BUT they use so much power to do it that they are limited in how much they can scale it out from here. Apple has the freedom to double things up and still have plenty of thermal headroom, so I do think they will probably have something else lined up in the pipeline soon.
 
Going to 64 GB RAM on an M2 Max costs +$400. Given how well Apple's UMA RAM performs and having spent ~+$400 for 2 MB of third party RAM in the past, the $400 seems fair to me. Folks should read up on Apple's Unified Memory Architecture before whining about RAM costs.

My expectation is that over the next few years (life cycle of any new box) OS and apps will evolve to really take advantage of the UMA. I did put my money where my mouth is and put 96 GB in the M2 MBP even though today 64 GB suffices fine for me.

Unified memory means better efficiency, but they are using normal LPDDR at uberly expensive prices, same for storage.

In the normal world, you can buy 32/1 TB for a fraction that apple charges people.
 
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