Wow, that’s unbelievable scary. When are we going to say “enough is enough”?
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Apple Threatens to Pull FaceTime and iMessage in the UK Over Proposed Surveillance Law Changes
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This government is still protecting their corrupt, criminal former leader who is refusing to hand over his own WhatsApp messages to a government enquiry despite being ordered by a court to do so. And he hasn't been arrested or anything.
So maybe if they want to use this lame argument, they should set a better example first.
iMessage is enormously popular. FaceTime maybe not so much.
They'll never say that as the population is too pacified and unable to think for itself. Brits are pretty much programmed by the narrative of the Murdoch media.
There is a significant gap on what do you use vs what do you use regularly.
I know all my contacts in the UK use WhatsApp.
What percentage of papers sold? Independent has drifted right in recent years, FYI, and surveys suggest less than 20% of people view the Mirror as favouring Labour, despite the claims.
So if Meta makes a threat to pull WhatsApp out of the UK market, that might derail the UK government’s new regulation.
They won't, Meta loves taking and giving data.
Really?
You mean like they did when the United States FBI demanded Apple unlock an iPhone owned by a criminal engaged in a crime? Apple steadfastly refused, was taken to court, and ultimately prevailed by not unlocking the phone after the government dismissed the case. Apparently the government found another way to get access. Apple subsequently used that opportunity to further strengthen iPhone security.
Holding their government accountable, yes !
What’s their medical system like ? Retirement age? Parental leave policies? Average weekly hours? Happiness on the quality of life index?
Correct. Our government are a disgrace.
Would be terrible to lose the Apple services but the correct stance for them to take.
Apple does not care about privacy. If they do, then how come messages to Android users aren't encrypted?
Government is a facade, a system that people in power hide behind it so when policies fail the population say that the government, the party, the left, or the right failed but they don't question the system in place. So they wait for the next election to vote for the next disappointing party or leader, left or right. Meanwhile the general population always end up paying for the entire bill.
Absolutely. They have moved forward on many privacy-related projects as well as their business model. Cook has come out multiple times since his initial comments about cybersecurity in 2016. He has spoken about government intervention to try and enforce a back door and has put that to pay every single time, whilst still respecting the need for information sharing. As far as actual examples of them not backing down?
- The very public fight to keep the App Store as the sole distributor of Apps. (I know you’ll argue that is purely a $ thing, but we all know there are dangers in side loading and only an idiot would deny that). Whichever, they haven't backed down.
- Advanced Data Protection. E2EE on iCloud has only increased, whilst Government wants to intercept messages and other data, and can legally subpoena the iCloud backup, it’s getting a lot harder to access the data. If you don’t have it turned on (it's not on by default) then you probably should.
- Contact Key Verification advising if a bad actor has somehow gained access to messages, FaceTime, etc.
- They've clearly also consistently backed themselves on combining across device functions whilst competitors lag in this area. People often complain about the way they do things, sometimes because it doesn't suit a particular user base (audiophiles, content creators, or whatever) but they keep going with it. Occasionally they change things to suit, and that's the market driving that, not backing down. In the same way, they have changed the landscape with regard to these things already (120 fps 4K Video on iPhone for example). It was Apple who introduced making movies with a smartphone.
- They are protecting their business model on the App Store against a lot of backlash for better or worse. Although, they are compromising to stave off intervention from Governments.
Sometimes companies as large as Apple are able to make claims such as shutting down iMessage etc. If they decide not to, it may be because they are posturing. They may not ever intend to go ahead with this, but as you say, money talks and so do a user base (electoral base) who have direct influence over governments. I guarantee governments are much more fickle about power than Apple is about money.
Any other examples of Apple reversing their decision other than CSAM? Didn't think so.
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True, they're Conservative in name only, however god forbid Labour get into power, then we'll really see self serving & corrupt. All the Conservatives have to do is replace Sunak(Globalist's puppet on a string) with a proper Conservative Leader!
And nowhere did I say it was. Try paying attention next time. The person I responded to (not you) said government causes more problems than it solves, implying anarchy would be better.
I'm in the UK and I only use iMessage & Face Time, except with my clients wheRE I use WhatsApp to keep business separate from my private messages.
Having said that, this legislation affects all E2E platforms and WhatsApp have said the same as Apple.
No doubt in the end they will all find a compromise 😊