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As others have said: 80GB+ flash-based iPods this year? I don't think so.

My 60GB iPod is usually about 90% full. approx. 50-60% of its capacity is music. The remaining amount I use to store video and that is a squeeze. So 32GB would be way too low for me. Introduce a widescreen iPod with 640x480 resolution and you need more capacity for video than the current iPods (assuming they are formatted for watching at 320x240).

An option for a flash-based full-size iPod is a nice idea, but I really can't see the whole line being flash-based that soon.
 
spicyapple said:
Smaller iPods with 20+ hours of battery life and absolutely no skipping. What's not to love?

Easy, the 50GB of Data I have on my iPod won't fit on any of the flash modules. Being in the computer industry there aren't any flash modules out there that are even close to the price point of a 30GB or 80GB iPod hard drive price for at least eighteen months.

With movies/video and my entire music collection is about 54GB. I only see that growing as the iTV comes out and my tendancy to buy videos increases. I need the space.
 
this is retarded. i only have an iPod photo and all i'm apple to use it for is music, the 60 gig has roughtly 55 gigs on it formatted and i have 100+ gigs of music on my computer. Sure i don't need it ALL with me everywhere i got but it sure helps. i'm very indecisive and like to have my whole library to choose from. So unless they can push out a 120 gig flash chip for under $500 i don't see much future in iPod. I mean they went all flash with the iphone and look at the 8 gigs were stuck with for $600. NOT COOL:mad:
 
I'll join in with the naysayers here - I have half (+) my music on a 60 GB photo pod and the rest and 2 or 3 movies on a 60 GB vidPod. The vidPod is going away soon and I want a larger capacity, larger screen vidPod to replace it.

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where do you go/what do you do that requires people here to have 80GB of media?

I dont like the hassle of and the time it takes to faff around re-syncing my ipod to change my music selection on my ipod, therefore I just want all my iTunes library on my ipod.

period....

That's why i want a 100-120gb ipod.
 
I don't know why people here complain about 32 GB being not enough space for video. If you go 1080p, 32 GB are indeed just one movie, but consider the resolution of the regular video iPod (320x240) and iPhone (480x320). ...32 GB is plenty.

Maybe it's big enough for you but my MUSIC collection outgrew my old 60GB 5G iPod even before I bought it. Just because you are not in the 80GB iPod demographic doesn't mean its storage overkill. I'm quite comfortable with my new 80GB. It allows me to have all of my music @ higher bit rates + a few movies + a tad bit of space as data storage. Anything less than 80GB is just isn't worth the purchase @ the $399 price point. I don't think Apple will do that. The best way to solve the battery life issue is to design an iPod with replaceable batteries just like every other CE device.
 
This actually makes sense to me. What you got to think about is will the true video iPod actually be classed as an iPod. It might be a new line because apple are going to market it as a PMP (portable media player) not a portable audio player like the iPods currently are marketed as.

I can see the iPod line being purely flash based and then a new line of PMPs being still hard drive based.

This would tie in with apples slogans of media content on your computer in iTunes in your pocket with iPod and now in your living room with :apple: tv.
 
I don't know why people here complain about 32 GB being not enough space for video. If you go 1080p, 32 GB are indeed just one movie, but consider the resolution of the regular video iPod (320x240) and iPhone (480x320).
Try Quicktime Pro or Handbrake and compress a whole movie is 320x240 in h2.64 in stereo sound (you don't need surround sound on your iPod, do you?). Start with ridiculously low bitrates and increase it until it looks good on your iPod. Maybe make a super high quality version as a reference. You will find out that you don't need that much space for videos.
I agree on you with that 100%... I've been fiddling with encoding movies/TV shows for my new iPod and I've found that at 320x240 h264 250kbps is adequate (plus 96 or even 64kbps AAC sound). I've been using MPEG4, though, at 300kbps (2-pass on both of course) because Handbrake+h264=too dark video.
Then there is the fact that the way you "consume" music is totally different from the way you "consume" a movie. A (good) song will be listened to over and over. Did you ever watch the same DVD twice in a month? Seriously?
Lots of storage for music makes sense, I personally like it when I don't hear the same stuff over and over when my nano is in shuffle all day. But honestly, TV shows and movies are more like a podcast: listen once, done, next.
I'll agree with you a little on this one. Some movies/shows I can watch pretty often, at least for awhile. But this fundamental difference in how media is consumed is the flaw in the iTMS' model. Songs @ $1 us a bargain - it's got lasting value that makes it a worthwhile buy. TV shows @$2 is almost like throwing away $2.

They need a rental plan, something like Netflix where you pay say $10-15 a month and can have any 3 or 5 episodes of any show on you iPod at any time. Ya, you could cruise through a season of a series in a month, but you'd have to go back to your computer to update them and you'd have to watch them through your iPod at least. Maybe put some other artificial limit on it, like 5 at a time, 25 in the month max, or you have to keep a show 24 hours before you replace it, etc. With a Netflix plan @$20/month I can cruise through a season of a TV show in a month no problem and snag a couple movies along the way as well. If Apple offered something similar in iTunes but had new content available right away they'd have something very popular on their hands. Even if shows were purchase only for a week or two and then became available on a rental plan it would be great.

I personally think it's ridiculous to watch videos on regular iPods, the screen is just too small and not widescreen. Subtitles must be a pain to read. The iPhone seems to be the perfect blend of small size and big screen. Well... it is basically just a big screen :p
I'm going to disagree with you here. I haven't watched anything on a 5G iPod yet, but I have watched plenty of things on small screens (PDAs, etc) and it's no problem at all. I would agree subtitles are just not doable, but that's a limitation I'm willing to accept. Not being widescreen is a bit of a problem, but as you point out it's so small already that it's not really a concern at that point.
Too bad I'm used to high def (720p) though, DVDs actually look terrible on an HDTV. Either too blurry or too compressed. Even HD TV-shows suck big time because they use old codecs and simply don't have enough bandwidth. Even the japanese Hi-Vision (analog high def) looks better. BlueRay and HD-DVD look great but it's a lot of data...
Ok, here's where I REALLY disagree with you. Yes, HD looks great. I have an HDTV and it's terrific. But DVD looks really good on it. Maybe you DVD player sucks, but even on my modest RCA upconverting set DVD looks really nice. A well mastered DVD has very minimal artifacting, and while there is a little grain to it I find it's barely noticeable, and when it is I almost sort of like it... reminds me of the grain in film when I go to the theatre. DVD even looks nice on my 480p DLP projector at ~96", and that's coming from my $20 cheap-o DVD player. Again, some grain but not terrible and I ALMOST prefer the grain to super smooth textures.

Also, I will clarify that I've not watched an HDDVD yet (don't care to drop the money 'till one format wins out, or dual players are the norm and are under $200). I find HD broadcast to be great though. Maybe OTA HD sucks, I don't have an antenna, just cable. The HD sports from ESPN, etc are just amazing though.
Back on topic: You don't need or want your entire movie collection on your iPod. 32 GB is plenty. There's a big Torrent file out there with ALL Simpsons episodes (from Season 1 to 17) and it was around 40 GB last time I checked...

I'll agree with you here, 32gb is plenty for an iPod. I can see why some people may want 60-80, but 32 is really sufficient for 90% of users. My concern is that 32gb of flash is not cheap. No way you'll see 32gb flash players for $200-250 (about what a 30gb HDD player runs) anytime soon. When you do, 30gb HDD players will have gone down in price accordingly. There will be a time when flash catches up to magnetic storage pricewise, but it's a ways off. Until then there's going to be a market for HDD iPods.
 
this is retarded. i only have an iPod photo and all i'm apple to use it for is music, the 60 gig has roughtly 55 gigs on it formatted and i have 100+ gigs of music on my computer. Sure i don't need it ALL with me everywhere i got but it sure helps. i'm very indecisive and like to have my whole library to choose from.
I understand the desire to have your entire library accessible, and that's a fair wish. But if you have 55 GB of music on your person and can't find something to listen to, the problem isn't capacity. It's that you've got too much crappy music wasting space.
 
where do you go/what do you do that requires people here to have 80GB of media?

[not responding to your post only...]

All the people moaning about people don't need this or that capacity should mind their own business really. Obviously plenty of people want that capacity or else Apple wouldn't sell any 60/80GB iPods, everyone would just buy the 30GB. I'm happy for there to be lower-capacity flash-based iPods for people who are happy with 16/32GB, but that's not for me.

Maybe no-one requires to have their entire music collection and a load of video files with them on their iPod, but with that attitude why even buy an iPod? Stick with a discman and a DVD then! :rolleyes:

It's about convenience and wants, not requirements and needs, isn't it?
 
Damn well better not. I have 55GB of tracks. If they do this I'm screwed and already locked into the iPod because of iTMS DRM crap. If they do this I will sell everything Apple that I own and never look back. :mad: If they do this...
 
Drastically reduced capacity?

So, instead of having 30GB of space, they would have 32GB. Instead of having 80GB of space, they would have 64GB.

Is that REALLY "drastically reduced capacity"? In some causes the capacity would actually go up! Hell, I read it a while ago that price/GB of flash is rapidly approaching that of HD. And those tiny HD's are more expensive than regural HD's, so I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Flash was already cheaper per GB when compared to the HD's used in the iPod.

Hell, they might even have a 120GB HD-model for those who want something bigger, heavier, less battery-life but with more storage.
 
I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, flash memory is more expensive per gigabyte than hard drives, so you won't be able store as much. On the other hand, better battery life and no skipping.

The thing I want to know is how much of a difference of bandwidth there is between hard drives and flash memory? I hope flash is fast enough so that movies aren't jerky.
 
So, instead of having 30GB of space, they would have 32GB. Instead of having 80GB of space, they would have 64GB.

Is that REALLY "drastically reduced capacity"? In some causes the capacity would actually go up! Hell, I read it a while ago that price/GB of flash is rapidly approaching that of HD. And those tiny HD's are more expensive than regural HD's, so I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Flash was already cheaper per GB when compared to the HD's used in the iPod.

Hell, they might even have a 120GB HD-model for those who want something bigger, heavier, less battery-life but with more storage.

Are you sure they could fit two flash based 32gb drives in an iPod.
 
Every year the price of flash memory drops - and every year we hear that next year it will be cheaper than hard drives. So far every year hard drives have been getting cheaper and smaller.

The primary reason I selected my iPod was to have a bigger display - so I wouldn't need my reading glasses - but my grandchildren watch movies on it.

Apple is wanting us to watch iPod videos on our TV - which means we don't want to compress them too much.

Size matters. Capacity matters. Choice matters. I don't see Apple deciding to limit themselves in this.
 
I am still very confused. I think this might be a prdeiction for way in the future. A 32gb flash based drive is way over the size of the current nano so until this size reduces and a larger capacity comes out I dont see this happening.

I am still convinced a true video iPod will still have a hard drive and be 120gb or more but will not be an iPod at all but will be renamed and iPod will only go up to 20gb for music only with video capabilites.
 
Damn well better not. I have 55GB of tracks. If they do this I'm screwed and already locked into the iPod because of iTMS DRM crap. If they do this I will sell everything Apple that I own and never look back. :mad: If they do this...
Locked in how? Since when did you become so dramatic? As I recall, you used to be reasonable.
 
ya right even if it is cheap er to make flash they are just going to jack up the prices because of the added battery life.:eek:
 
I've been waiting for a 100GB iPod for a while now. I'm probably in the minority, but I'd just like to have a regular music-only iPod with high capacity. Maybe in the form of the iPhone?

You might be in the 'minority' if we're looking at the population as a whole, but among iPod users, I don't think your situation is that unusual. A lot of people who are into music have extensive collections.

My 80 GB iPod is always full, as was the 30 GB I had before I upgraded. I've got an external drive solely dedicated to MP3s. It's 160 GB, almost completely full, and most of the music is ripped from CDs that I own. And I haven't even ripped a fifth of my collection. Which means...I could, theoretically, fill an 800 GB iPod. Yikes...
 
Then there is the fact that the way you "consume" music is totally different from the way you "consume" a movie. A (good) song will be listened to over and over. Did you ever watch the same DVD twice in a month? Seriously?
Lots of storage for music makes sense, I personally like it when I don't hear the same stuff over and over when my nano is in shuffle all day. But honestly, TV shows and movies are more like a podcast: listen once, done, next.

I personally think it's ridiculous to watch videos on regular iPods, the screen is just too small and not widescreen. Subtitles must be a pain to read. The iPhone seems to be the perfect blend of small size and big screen. Well... it is basically just a big screen :p

Back on topic: You don't need or want your entire movie collection on your iPod. 32 GB is plenty. There's a big Torrent file out there with ALL Simpsons episodes (from Season 1 to 17) and it was around 40 GB last time I checked...

i have a 60gb video ipod right now. i have about 45gb used, and it is always increasing. while you may think you know what everyone wants and how everyone views their media, you don't. is my approach typical? i don't know. probably not. but based on the responses here, many people have need/desire for more than 32gb. so, i guess you can stick to your hdtv for movies, tv, etc, but some of us are happy to use our ipods for such things at times.
 
Every year the price of flash memory drops - and every year we hear that next year it will be cheaper than hard drives. So far every year hard drives have been getting cheaper and smaller.

true, but flash is getting cheaper per GB faster than HD's are. So sooner or later Flash will overtake magnetic media. I actually saw a graph about thise last week (IIRC). it showed the two to be more or less equal right now.
 
If they can fit a HD in there, why not?

A 32gb flash drive is currently about the same size as the current video ipod solid state memory at these capacities are bigger then hard drives.

EDIT:

Sorry not bigger same size. A 32gb flash drive is 1.8inch long same as a 80gb harddrive so no room for two.
 
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