Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Seems be unclear what is RCS standard is, I tried Google it but it not coming up except Google version of it. 🤣

I hope there will be different colour bubble for RCS message so I know what type of message I can send and not get mixed up with green bubble (text based only).
 
  • Like
Reactions: gusmula
No one seriously cares about those. Messaging is not some profitable enterprise - you should ask how WhatsApp makes money.

Actually people outside of the US default to WeChat and Whatsapp for a majority of their communication, and they really care about having them on their phone. Just look at your app usage history, and tell me that you don't spend a good chunk of your time on messaing apps. What if WhatsApp adoption continued to grow, and all the cool kids in the US eventually began to use WhatsApp as their primary chat app?

Apple does care quite a bit about maintaining a grip on iMessage for all sorts of reasons; ecosystem tie-in being the most important. If people stop spending time on iMessage, it'll be that much easier for them to see the iPhone as just another device, and eventually buy something else in the future. Sure, Apple doesn't make money directly off you sending texts over iMessage (although it conveniently suggests to backup your messages on its expensive iCloud storage). But the bigger picture is so freaking important.

This is why Apple thought that taking the largest, intentional, pain point out of iMessage would glue its users back to the platform internationally. Hence the RCS adoption.
 
They certainly do whine about it when their iPhone friends (stupidly) judge them for it. A significant factor for youngsters who haven't learned what's actually important.
Well, okay. So really it is iPhone users complaining about the bubbles, and then Android users complaining about the iPhone users complaining about bubbles.

Bubbleception.
 
What's funny about this is so many Android users thinking they will now have blue bubbles when texting iPhone users. They get so hung up on that, it's weird.

Apple was never going to allow that. Even with RCS, your texts will still be green. Only iMessage based messages between iPhones will be blue.
Why would Android users care about the color of the bubbles in iMessage? They don't even see it. It's the issue between Apple and its [pompous] customers.
 
Same way Messasges or any other encrypted data is routed. Unencrypted delivery header and encrypted message payload.
Where will the key exchange happen? How will that cross services? This is not the same as any other encrypted data as end to end encryption usually happens within a single service. Even with encrypted email it can't be read outside of that mail service's ecosystem without providing credentials to the initial service. Signal and iMessage aren't going to just work out of the box.
 
  • Like
Reactions: NetMage
What do you think "encryption built into that standard" looks like? Data between clients and RCS nodes is already encrypted. End-to-end encryption is a client concern and Universal Profile shouldn't need to worry about it; its only concern is moving opaque data between clients (along with metadata like content type).

Google has already announced that they'll be moving to the recently-published MLS standard. It would be silly if this wasn't also the direction that Apple went.
The part where it's a client concern is where I'm a little lost. Wouldn't this mean that only clients of the same type would be able to have E2EE?
 
  • Like
Reactions: NetMage
You have iPhones (and other Apple products) with the Messages app. Android, on the other hand, is a free for all. In a perfect world, Messages by Google (formerly Android Messages) would be the only messaging app on the platform for SMS/MMS/RCS. Instead, you have a gazillion apps from Google, manufacturers (Samsung), carriers (Verizon), and others all competing in the same space. And each app come with their own share of compatibility problems.
Funny, my S23U has Messages as its only texting app for SMS/MMS/RCS. There's no Samsung app nor is there any app provided by my carrier.

Now, I do have Messenger and WhatsApp, but those are only used for those two particular services. Last I checked, they both exist on iOS as separate apps as well.

So really, we're already in your so-called "perfect world".
 
What do you think "encryption built into that standard" looks like? Data between clients and RCS nodes is already encrypted. End-to-end encryption is a client concern and Universal Profile shouldn't need to worry about it; its only concern is moving opaque data between clients (along with metadata like content type).

Google has already announced that they'll be moving to the recently-published MLS standard. It would be silly if this wasn't also the direction that Apple went.
Great, if/when it happens. Given Google’s business model and 10 year record of starting and stopping constantly on what they promise it wouldn’t surprise me if they rolled out yet another client to bake it into and abandon their 4th (5th?) attempt 🤷‍♂️
 

Attachments

  • IMG_6557.png
    IMG_6557.png
    501.8 KB · Views: 43
Why would Android users care about the color of the bubbles in iMessage? They don't even see it. It's the issue between Apple and its [pompous] customers.
It's not pompous for a customer to be displeased at losing functionality in their messaging client because of those green contacts. This was developed by experience over time, not arrogance or elitism.
 
Actually people outside of the US default to WeChat and Whatsapp for a majority of their communication, and they really care about having them on their phone. Just look at your app usage history, and tell me that you don't spend a good chunk of your time on messaing apps. What if WhatsApp adoption continued to grow, and all the cool kids in the US eventually began to use WhatsApp as their primary chat app?

Apple does care quite a bit about maintaining a grip on iMessage for all sorts of reasons; ecosystem tie-in being the most important. If people stop spending time on iMessage, it'll be that much easier for them to see the iPhone as just another device, and eventually buy something else in the future. Sure, Apple doesn't make money directly off you sending texts over iMessage (although it conveniently suggests to backup your messages on its expensive iCloud storage). But the bigger picture is so freaking important.

This is why Apple thought that taking the largest, intentional, pain point out of iMessage would glue its users back to the platform internationally. Hence the RCS adoption.

Again, no one serious cares about those. Europe is a shrinking market and China is not a safe one.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: NetMage
I kind of hate any time Google gets a win. I think this is a stupid move, as it’s less incentive for people to stick with iOS.
iMessage was never any kind of incentive to stick with iOS only for me. Sure, it works well, but so does RCS, and even SMS can get the job done for text. I use both an iPhone and an Android phone. :)
 
Where will the key exchange happen? How will that cross services? This is not the same as any other encrypted data as end to end encryption usually happens within a single service. Even with encrypted email it can't be read outside of that mail service's ecosystem without providing credentials to the initial service. Signal and iMessage aren't going to just work out of the box.
MLS encryption standard.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: strongy and NetMage
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.