RCS supports adding and leaving a group chat. It is up to Apple to make it compatible with their own chat protocols which they can.
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Apple to Adopt RCS Messaging Standard for Better Interoperability With Android Devices
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The same moment RCS works in the iMessage App on my iPhone I will kill my WhatsApp account. Looking forward!
Same, i don't care much for having multiple apps to message with.
This has been my wish, dream and hope ever since I started looking into RCS in 2015. Got ridiculed for believing in this day (Apple adding RCS) on here yearly, any time I mentioned RCS and Apple.
Apple adding RCS is groundbreaking, I hope other thirsty platforms (Meta / WhatsApp, I know you want that monopoly) follow suit with their cross-platform efforts.
All ecosystems have some sort of barrier. Why not demand Microsoft share all code with Open Office and the Mac productivity suite? Doesn't Microsoft have a dominance in productivity via Word, Excel and PowerPoint? I would consider that to be an "essential service" and not iMessage.
How can any reasonable person blame Apple given its far, far lower market share? By your own definition, shouldn't Android be the one to force it's platform to open, for example to Samsung's Tizen? And how did Google respond to Tizen - by forcing Tizen's closure!
https://www.theverge.com/2014/7/17/5913313/google-and-samsung-reportedly-fighting-over-smartwatches
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen#:~:text=On December 31, 2021, the,its Galaxy Watch 4 smartwatches.
So, the Google crybaby that complains about iMessage couldn't handle competition via Samsung. Where was the EU when this happened? The brave EU dictators were asleep? Why not go after Google for anti-competitive measures? Doesn't that make more sense given market dominance by Android?
This is not about consumer choice. It's about the Apple ecosystem and Google and EU's attempt to break it, each for different reasons. It's pathetic.
I'm sure the android bots will find something else to bellyache about now
It’s curious why Google isn’t examined more for their anti-competitive actions. Apple (whether you agree or not) has become the “cool” thing to go after. It garners headlines and publicity.
It begs to show whether all these regulators are really just trying to get political points and such. Many of these suits or attempts to go after Apple (even Microsoft in Activision acquisition case) suggest lobbying efforts are in full force for some companies.
That's not a bad idea. Perhaps Microsoft can keep the regulators at bay by publishing a basic open standard for their Word, Excel, and PowerPoint document formats...
Not sure how the links you provided prove that Google "forced the closure of Tizen." From reading those articles, it would appear that Tizen failed in the mobile market for much the same reason that Windows Phone failed.
You're perfectly right. The EU should absolutely force Google to adopt the same measures that they are forcing Apple to. I would love to see multiple app stores on Android. I would love to have my Android phone work with standard messaging protocols such as RCS. I would love to side-load apps on my Android phone.
Very good idea, my guy!
"Dear World,
We have adopted the RCS protocol that Google has been bitching about for over a year. It is a half assed and by now antiquated replacement for SMS/MMS that failed to get any traction in 2009 and has been looking to avoid the dustbin.
We developed our own messaging service, like every other ****ing tech company. Microsoft has Teams, Facebook has not one but two messaging apps in WhatsApp/Messenger, Apple has iMessage, and then there are considerable other options Google could have either purchased or adopted.
Instead, they chose the MCX of the messaging world.
We are adopting it because it is by now already a legacy platform and we feel the EU in all their uneducated democratic mob wisdom will somehow force us to adopt it, too, after they're done with their autocratic demands on USB-C.
Enjoy RCS, our Android friends. We have moved on over a decade ago at this point and you can join the future by using WhatsApp, Messenger, iMessage on an Apple Device, or any of the thousands of other far superior messaging clients that Google can't seem to want to develop and compete against so they're using the blunt cudgel of the lazy mooch known as government, that has to date not produced a single life changing thing other than a gun or a bomb....
Sincerely,
Tim Apple and Team."
We have adopted the RCS protocol that Google has been bitching about for over a year. It is a half assed and by now antiquated replacement for SMS/MMS that failed to get any traction in 2009 and has been looking to avoid the dustbin.
We developed our own messaging service, like every other ****ing tech company. Microsoft has Teams, Facebook has not one but two messaging apps in WhatsApp/Messenger, Apple has iMessage, and then there are considerable other options Google could have either purchased or adopted.
Instead, they chose the MCX of the messaging world.
We are adopting it because it is by now already a legacy platform and we feel the EU in all their uneducated democratic mob wisdom will somehow force us to adopt it, too, after they're done with their autocratic demands on USB-C.
Enjoy RCS, our Android friends. We have moved on over a decade ago at this point and you can join the future by using WhatsApp, Messenger, iMessage on an Apple Device, or any of the thousands of other far superior messaging clients that Google can't seem to want to develop and compete against so they're using the blunt cudgel of the lazy mooch known as government, that has to date not produced a single life changing thing other than a gun or a bomb....
Sincerely,
Tim Apple and Team."
Like all the annoyance of a group email, with bonus notification sounds. I'd definitely want any possible group messaging in some other app, not only for features, but just to keep it separated.
But, then, I still can't understand "reactions to texts" as a useful thing, so whatever. I'm glad to hear Apple's doing this and am surprised they ever got around to it. For the guy who thinks it's stupid because you won't know if you can video call a non-imessage contact... I presume you just look at the guy's contact card and can see it from there. It's in no way worse: just assume everyone is non-RCS, if it bothers you.
It would be nice if there was a better way to share photos and videos than email or iMessage/RCS. I end up still, in 2023, using email to send photos to a windows computer at work. Network sharing, or USB transfer, are both more work if it's only a couple of images. AirDrop doesn't work at home since the iMac uses wired ethernet and you have to have WiFi on.
I'd love if, gads, imagine this: users could customize the text colors, fonts, and sounds in Messages. What an innovation that would be!
And now (or soon), a default, cross-platform messaging solution that can send a high-resolution photo. Sounds like a win.
says the one suggesting people already know what rcs is and no relearning is needed
that, for sure, is the ridiculous post.
that would be confusing for showing non-rcs non-message users. how do you know if your green bubble is e2e encrypted
I'd prefer that apple let us customize the colors and wallpaper for each person, same as WhatsApp.
Sounds like RCS will be the same green as SMS.
you're completely misunderstanding what I'm saying with respect to the other person's postRCS supports adding and leaving a group chat. It is up to Apple to make it compatible with their own chat protocols which they can.
yes I'm 100 percent fully aware of rcs' capabilities. mms doesn't support this.
This is demonstrably false information. You really should take the time to education yourself on E2EE. They are using the Signal protocol. Are you suggesting that Google has somehow hacked one of the most secure communication protocols being used today? If you believe it's that easy, what makes you think Apple doesn't hold the keys to their own E2EE in iMessage? See how dumb that sounds?
Apple confirmed already that RCS messages will also be green bubbles. So welcome to the confusing world, where a first glance wont tell you whether that text you just sent costs you €€€ or is sent over your data connection.
LOL! It's almost like they have no idea how Android phones work and what the capabilities of having an open source platform are.
I'm aware, and I'm pointing out that RCS you are bemoaning solves that massive flaw of mms you say there is.
RCS solves that issue. Yet you have spent the whole thread bemoaning Apple finally adopting a protocol that would provide some parity with said features you state iMessage groups have and solve the massive flaw you claim there is.
no it literally doesn't as rcs messages are not mms messages. we're discussing apple being deliberate in sabotaging the experience for mms + iMessage users.
if you're in a group with mms, non-rcs people, you cannot remove people from groups. in iMessage and rcs people, you can, but there will be mms users who have not upgraded to rcs for years to come. so this solution of where apple could have siphoned iMessage data to iMessage users and send mms data to mms users clearly doesn't work as there is a massive flaw in the user story.
you're not understanding this at all. this is ridiculous. clearly you're confusing the context with mms as rcs.
either that or you're trying to move the goal posts of in the world where only iMessage and rcs exist which clearly is not the case as there will be users who have not upgraded to google's rcs for years to come.
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