No, Vestager’s focus is in reducing the profits of non-EU companies. If the solution above doesn’t involve Apple losing money on the deal, she wouldn’t be interested. Fortunately for those non-EU companies, Vestager’s out at the end of October.
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Apple to Allow iPad Users in EU to Download Apps From Third-Party App Stores From September 16
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Please stop spreading propaganda anti-EU only because your loved company-squeezer has been hit by EU.
I would have never thought that part of the audience of this forum could have no-limits in spreading FUD and anti-EU propaganda just to try to "defend" their beloved company.
Apple has announced it will allow iPad apps to be sold via third-party app stores in the European Union from Monday, September 16, coinciding with the release of iPadOS 18.
Apple to "Allow" iPad Users.... The move follows Apple's "tolerance" in the bloc for alternative app stores on iPhones... What??? The EU takes much better care of consumers. The EU ORDERED Apple to comply with these conditions. More to come. Apple, Google, Meta et al will not be allowed to run roughshod over consumers and developers in the EU. Consumers in the US will benefit from these rulings too.
Please explain why the EU is applying the DMA to iPadOS despite iPadOS not meeting the quantitative thresholds written in the DMA?!?!
Scumbags can't even stick to their own nebulous rules. Keep movin' those goalposts.
You're right - you do own the hardware and can do whatever it is you want to with it. Throw it in a river, take a hammer to it, incinerate it if such is your inclination.
What you can't do anything with (at least up until the EU decided to run interference for Spotify & Epic) is the software/EULA that you knowingly and willingly agreed to when you bought the phone.
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EULA’s already don’t hold very much water in the EU and other European countries outside of that bloc.
No you need to change your region and AppStore and all of the relevant details to an EU country. You possibly may even need to be in the EU to do the initial set up, I’m not sure on that.
Does it mean Apple is obligated to stop piracy on third party app stores? They probably could on a technical level, but it doesn’t mean they have to.
LOL it’s not FUD if it’s completely true.
This is a perfect example. The iPad, despite not even meeting the arbitrary definition of gatekeeper the DMA includes is regulated anyway. Meanwhile Spotify which actual DOES meet the numbers threshold for gatekeeper isn’t included because the DMA conveniently left out the one area, music streaming, where a European country has the majority share.
For comparison Spotify controls over 50% of the EU market. That’s more than 3x Apple Music.
Meanwhile iPhone represents only 30% share of the smartphone market in Europe.
If you think a platform that has 30% needs to be regulated but a platform that has 50% doesn’t, that means it’s not about size, it’s about whether it’s an EU company or not.
That’s not FUD, it’s not proganda. It’s facts and logic.
Sorry to be the one to break it to you.
Not really. If this is what Apple users wanted they wouldn’t be Apple users, they would be Android users. The overwhelming majority of use prefer the security and convenience Apples model offers.
We don’t want to have to deal with 3rd party app stores, side loading, or any of the other garbage the EU is forcing on Apple.
You always had the choice to go with a phone platform that offered those things. But that wasn’t enough for you, now you want to force the rest of us to LOSE the things we care about just so you get what you want on every phone.
The EU and people like you are against user choice. Stop pretending otherwise.
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So go ahead and install what you want. But Apple should not be compelled to help you do it. You want to install something? Figure out how. On your own.
Frankly I think the solution is simple. Apple should sell a separate version of the iPhone that comes with absolutely zero restrictions. It should also come with no operating system. People like you who don’t like Apples restrictions with iOS are free to buy it and do whatever they want. You just have to build your own OS first.
Good luck.
It’s not propaganda, Vestager’s term DOES end in October. And, she has specifically indicated that, if the regulations are working, they should affect the bottom line of the regulated companies. Her shortsightedness was in not understanding that European regulations allow for myriad ways for companies to legally make a profit from their R&D. She’s annoyed about the Core Technology Fee primarily because it’s a legally defensible way the EU has provided for companies to make money. For them to say that this is not allowed, they’ll need to define why other companies doing this in the region are ok doing it while Apple’s not, and “gatekeeper” has already been used.
I guess she could try to get some other made up term created, but she’s got a little over a month and things don’t move that fast in the EU regulatory world.
It comes down to the fact that Google wants to make money. They’ve figured out how to make money with Android and that’s the way they want to go forward. Apple has done the same, figured out a way that, with what they have and what they can offer, what would yield a profit.
That there’s a group of people, unhappy about the current situation, that want a thing that doesn’t exist, is clear. But why doesn’t it exist? Mainly because it’s not profitable (if it was profitable, someone would be doing it and… you know, profiting from it). And further, because there’s not enough people that care strongly enough about that set of features that they’re willing to forego alternatives until what they want exists. For me, there will be a LOT of cool Android phones released over the next 12 months. However, “iOS compatible” is SO important to me, I will NOT buy any of those products and wait until the next iOS compatible one comes along. I most certainly wouldn’t buy any Android phone and bemoan the fact that it doesn’t meet my “iOS compatible” need. Whereas, in less than a week I can guarantee there’s a bunch of folks out there that “care” about sideloading… being able to install an app without any app store onto an iPhone… that don’t care enough about it to NOT buy the iPhone.
Apple was marketing to people that wanted what Apple was selling, and is likely why the EU marketshare is so small to start with. Unfortunately for Apple, a number of folks heard what Apple was selling, didn’t understand that it wasn’t what they needed, and bought anyway. They’re more “using products produced by Apple” than Apple Users.
They aren't obligated to proactively prevent piracy I think, but they would risk to be liable if they knowingly facilitate piracy, in particular when each single app goes through their review and notarization process. However, apps notarized by Apple are always encrypted, so I don't think it's even technically possible to copy and renotarize an existing app package from any app store. Apple explicitly says that they are doing that to protect the intellectual property rights of app developers.
False:
Commission designates Apple's iPadOS under the Digital Markets Act
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_2363
Direct quote from your link (emphasis mine):
How this any different than a banana republic where the dictator’s friends’ companies get all the contracts and the opposition’s supporters’ companies get nothing but investigations?
So let us get this straight:
- instead of building the dma on market share the eu chose revenue because apple rakes it in with a minority market share
- and although unwritten one can designate a entity to be controlled under the dma because the entity is important or influential.
Seems while the legislation itself was very craftily written they make it up as they go along.
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I was never a fan of the app store for iphone and ipad. I wish Apple would treat it like Mac OS and I can install what I want when I want from where i want.
side loading on iOS + iPadOS never has and never will make sense.