I’m not going to rehash the same arguments for a millionth time, but given the apps don’t function without the use of Apple’s property, Apple has every right to ask to be compensated for use of said property. Just because I’m paying for a room at a hotel doesn’t mean I get to use the minibar for free, even if other hotel chains allow it.
What you posted anice is easy to say after the fact, but I think apple should be able to run its platform with the existing (pre-dma) law provided it’s legal. Those who don’t like the way apples runs its ecosystem buy something else.
You can write an app today and download it without apples consent. You can’t install anything from anywhere and if that’s important to you there are cell phone manufacturers that let you do that.
Apple has a responsibility as a massive player in the game to not keep closed and control one of the worlds most popular OS's. They all have the responsibility. We can't move forwards freely into the future, where these OS's and devices and companies running them lock them down to a point where they dictate what we can and can't do.
I wasn’t referring to google and the dma is a thinly veiled attempt at pro-consumerism but in reality is an apple revenue siphoning legislation that will benefit “the big boys”.
And it doesn’t mean apple should either.
Nor does it mean there is any anti trust.
I think if a governing body deems there to be antitrust, then there is antitrust in their eyes. There are channels for discussions and negotiations. It’s not a ‘sudden’ change.
You suggest they break a law in a region they operate in?
So you are saying the EU is no different than a kangaroo court then.
Okay EU lawmaking is like a kangaroo court.
People already have said that apple is willfully breaking the law in the eu. So there’s that.
I thought about it and realized that if they're gonna be a stick in the mud about Gamepass and Epic everywhere else but Europe, then they're being a stick in the mud. I would love to have a native GamePass Streaming app. There is no reason why we cannot. Android has it.
Oh no, Apple makes a little bit less money to give their customers access to apps they are stubbornly not allowing such as Gamepass. Cry me a river, they have enough money to buy a country.
Oh no, Apple COULD do it but stubbornly refuses to do so. As I type this, I just downloaded an app straight from a third party app devs website on my MacBook Pro M3 Max 14" APPLE LAPTOP. And installed it. And whoa....no viruses or malware.....and if I got viruses or malware, that would be MY FAULT.....USER ERROR......ID10T......PEBCAK......Layer 8......NTF.......Only if you view third party app stores as its own separate set of rules, and not part of the DMA.
John Gruber perhaps summed it up best.
The iOS Continental Drift Widens
What’s happening with Apple Intelligence and iPhone Screen Sharing this year is what I expect to happen with every new product or service Apple creates that integrates with iOS: they will come late, or never, to the EU.daringfireball.net
So what you are all actually cheering for is for an Apple which is not allowed to integrate their products together, and we are already seeing what that means for users. No Apple Intelligence or iPhone mirroring. I know what some of you will say - Apple could sidestep all this by giving the same treatment to third parties (eg: allowing users to set spotify as default when invoking Siri on your Apple Watch, or mandating that android tablets must be allowed to work with sidecar), but if you expect Apple to extend the same treatment to all third parties for every single feature they design, then the outcome is that they may simply not bother if they feel that the payoff is not worth the effort (eg: it removes the incentive to own multiple Apple devices), or if it prevents them from meaningfully differentiating their products.
In this context, it makes sense for Apple to keep pushing back against the demands of the DMA whenever possible.
you're going to prevent apple from raising their prices on their phones? ridiculous.
Sony controls and makes royalties from all playstation games from any store. Regardless, OP said digital. Sony has exclusive digital distribution of the games. The "digital" version you buy from Amazon gives you a code that must be redeemed through Sony's digital store the same way you buy an iTunes/App Store gift card and gets redeemed through Apple's store.
not on the original PS5 digital edition. only the slim and the ps5 pro you can attach an optical drive. people who bought the original ps5 digital edition well understood they can only buy games through the Sony shop exclusively.
I think a closed system (iOS) and an open system (android) should compete to see which system is the one that people generally prefer. Clearly, a closed system hasn't lost so it absolutely has value in the market.
No, of course not. They can price their phones any price they want. Mobile phones are a competitive market. There are dozens if not hundreds of different readily available, whichever way you count them (just ask @I7guy ).
They're free to try. But...
...if you're saying Apple is going to make the profit they're targeting anyway (without them profiting a better, more attractive product to consumers) and "nothing can stop them", i.e. they not contestable in the market, that's indicative of a dominant position that is regulated by competition law.
It's not about the minibar. Minibar usage is optional. Having a roof over your head isn't. And if you're the only one (or two) landlords controlling the entire housing stock in the market or country, prepare for government rent controls and non-discrimination regulation faster than you can say "c®ook".
It's not "use" of property, really - since the "use" of functionality in Apple's iOS devices costs Apple ...nothing. Zero. Once the hardware device has been purchased by the consumer.
Yea, if, if and if. And they shouldn’t get charged or penalized if not.
Sure if they are deemed illegal. It has happened but like I said, OJ was cleared of criminal charges and the DOJ lost the time warner lawsuit.
Units sold and each competitor has some type of an App Store. If the eu wants to ring up the competition they should make horizontal integration illegal.
They aren't forced to raise prices.
It's more about competition for related products and services (e.g. sales and distribution of apps and in-app functionality, streaming services etc.) than competition in the primary market (operating systems).
