No, I bought a digital only PS5. So there’s no disc drive. I can only buy my games in the PS5 digital store.
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OK but thats due to the model you bought, not due to Sony enforcing the rule. You can attach an optical drive to your machine. You can buy games anywhere.
And no matter where you buy your PS5 game, Sony get the same Sony Tax...
It's just a different physical store but the same game controller. Sony.
You cant buy your game at a Switch store and play it on your PS5. Even for the same game title. You buy the licence to play it on one machine. You sell it, you lose the right to play it.
I wish facts were a thing these days.
Kinda like how you could have purchased a smartphone/tablet from a manufacturer who ships with an OS that allows you to install software from anywhere.
And Sony still gets a cut either way (meaning there really isn’t a way for game developers to sell a game on the PS5 while keeping 100% of revenue), yet it’s supposedly blasphemy when I suggest that perhaps Apple should still get a cut of app sales even when they are sold via third party app stores or via sideloading.
Come to think of it - why doesn’t Sony allow users to access the Epic Games Store, or subscribe to Xbox game pass, and why isn’t Tim Sweeney raising a stink about it?
That paragraph barely makes sense let alone has relevance. No one is suggesting that non ios platform software be forced to work on ios. So the switch store analogy is irrelevant. If I went to either a real store and got a disk, or the Sony digital store and downloaded it, I dont lose the right to play it if I seel my machine. If I sell the disc, well yes of course. And I can't seel it if its a digital copy.
No idea what youre trying to say.
At the mo, one can only buy ios software in apples appstore. Thats not the case with a ps5.
Twisting it to make it appear as it is doesn't make it actually be.
Yeah errr no.
Kinda like you got a ps5 and you can either download digitally from the official store or sideload with an optical disc.
Thats not what we were speaking about. Its part of the wider issue but it does no good to conflate all the pieces in to one.
You have quoted me from a conversation about a false claim that you can only get games on a ps5 via the official Sony appstore, when you can also in fact purchase a game from any gaming store or even a supermarket and install it on your machine.
The cut they take wasn't a part of this discussion.
And so my follow up question is - would you be okay with Apple continuing to take a cut of app sales from apps sold outside of the App Store, similar to what is evidently happening with consoles, and why or why not?
Second, is there a difference between downloading a game and buying a physical copy from Amazon? It’s not like you would be able to access games otherwise not allowed on the platform. I assume that if a game was not allowed, Sony wouldn’t even allow it to be published either way.
Ultimately, your point feels like a distinction without a difference. Like I purchased a “Bayonetta” game cartridge for my switch last year, but I didn’t feel like I was any better off vs just downloading it directly from the Nintendo game store.
GrapheneOS? There are alternatives in the point. Each comes with its own set of pluses and minuses.
I felt the goalposts move here for obvious reasons.
Your “little choice” is nonsense. How many smartphones are out there? Does each do exactly the same thing, eg no variations in functionality? Screen the same. Underlying software exactly the same? No differentiating vendor apps etc.
Regulation came about because the eu threaded the needle(and moved the targets while it was at it) in order to regulate apple by profits, not market share of sets out there. Your reasoning is circular.
I dont believe apple or anyone else should be taking a cut of anything that wasn't distributed via their own appstore, and no one should be forcing their own appstore as the only place to get apps from.And so my follow up question is - would you be okay with Apple continuing to take a cut of app sales from apps sold outside of the App Store, similar to what is evidently happening with consoles, and why or why not?
Second, is there a difference between downloading a game and buying a physical copy from Amazon? It’s not like you would be able to access games otherwise not allowed on the platform. I assume that if a game was not allowed, Sony wouldn’t even allow it to be published either way.
Ultimately, your point feels like a distinction without a difference. Like I purchased a “Bayonetta” game cartridge for my switch last year, but I didn’t feel like I was any better off vs just downloading it directly from the Nintendo game store.
The fact that Sony and others do it is also something to be admonished.
The other poster claimed the only way to get games on a ps5 was via Sony's digital store. I merely stated that that was not true.
It was them making the irrelevant comparison, not I.
The PS5 pro comes without a disc drive, and I suspect that just might end up being the direction moving forward.
No its not nonsense. There is ios and there is Android. That is very, very little choice. Its a choice of 2.
I'm sure you're right. Physical medium within the consumer space is in its death throes.
There is Linux and others. If you don’t see choice in the hundreds of cell phone manufacturers maybe regulate the use of open source in cell phone development. While apple is vertically integrated, google is horizontally integrated. Maybe make that illegal.
Many operating systems have been derived from the Unix world. Linux is a clean copy of Unix, with many derivates. Even iOS is some derivative. Might as well say the smartphone industry is monopolistic because they all run Unix.
There are no Linux mobile OS's outside of very niche projects. Android itself is based upon Linux SE , but all the forks of that remain android and therefore are compatible with only android apps and therefore are the only alternative to ios.
But that doesn't make sense. Its not remotely comparable.
The issue at hand is how much apple control its eco system, how they gain profit because of that strict control, and how competition is stiffled due to that control.
Its got nothing whatsoever to do with where the underlying base operating system is derived from.
Talk about stretching to reach.
Linux is nothing of the sort. Linux is a massive family of Unix like OS's.
MacOS is a Unix like OS, as is iOS, though derived from MacOS.
Android is also a Unix like OS, but derived from the Linux kernel.
Linux is an open source unix like operating system period. Unix is licensed hence Linux. Linux is a clean copy of Unix. I stand by that statement.
I had two options when I purchased my PS5: digital only or disc+digital. I purchased digital only. That means I only get to buy games from the PSN Store. I knew what I was purchasing. I am not going to the government demanding that Sony allow the Epic Store. (And curiously enough, Epic isn't either, despite the fact that they did for Apple and Sony takes the same 30% cut that Apple does).
You had two options when you purchased your smart-phone: apps only available through apple or apps available through multiple stores. You purchased Apple-only. You knew that when you were purchasing.
No, I said I had no option to purchase PS5 games except in the PSN Store. Which is true. I purchased an option that was restricted in where I could purchase my software despite there being other options where I could purchase software from other sources, just like you did when you bought your iPhone/iPad. Again, I am not running to the government asking them to change how the digital PS5 works after the fact.
That's what it comes down to. You want Apple to give away access to its property for free. You don't think they deserve a cent for building the platform, attracting a large pool of attractive customers who are willing to spend money on quality software, for maintaining the platform that developers use to make their software. They should be required to do that for free, just because that's how it was done in the past.
The dma winds up by regulating apple instead of the market. The dma regulates companies when the dma should be regulating the market which is (one of the )the issue I have with the dma. Other than it’s general direction toward targeting apple.
Just because an individual or company knowingly agrees to something as part of a purchase or contract doesn’t mean that the agreement can’t potentially violate antitrust or competition laws.
For example, just because Apple, Samsung, Mozilla, etc. had agreements with Google to make it the default search doesn't mean Google can't be charged with anticompetitive behavior and the agreements end up voided or not allowed. Just because each of them knew the agreement meant that search engines other than Google couldn't be the pre-set default doesn’t make the situation exempt from antitrust/competition laws.
Similarly, just because customers may have known when they purchased an iPhone that the App Store was the only app access option doesn't mean Apple can't or shouldn't be charged with violating antitrust/competition laws.
Nope. Not at all. I think computing platforms, such as is a modern mobile os, should remain open. Apple has a right to monitor what goes in its own store, but it has no right to outright stop anything else from being installed. Macos doesn't, android doesn't, windows doesnt, Linux doesn't.
I should be free to write an app that can be installed on iOS without apples consent or even knowledge. I should be free to download an apo for my own iOS device from anywhere I choose, without apples say so. Its got nothing to do with Apple - whatsoever.
Sure in the realms of hypotheticals anything can happen. OJ was do d innocent of criminal charges and the DOJ failed to prove its case with the time Warner merger.
But sure doesn’t mean apple will be charged with antitrust or the doj will win its lawsuit.