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I just bought a touch bar in Jan. LOL! This would be really annoying.

If they bring out a 15" without touch bar but with Touch ID. I will be even more annoyed.
How have you dealt with the keyboard? More than anything I wish Apple would jettison the butterfly keyboard first seen in the Macbook.
 
You should know that computers are soon superceded by newer and better models!

A non issue and nothing to be annoyed about!

I hope they do bring out a model with touchID and sans touchbar!

touchID is useful, touchbar - not so much. I need physical keys F, and escape keys!

I just bought a touch bar in Jan. LOL! This would be really annoying.

If they bring out a 15" without touch bar but with Touch ID. I will be even more annoyed.
 
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So if Apple keeps the current size battery in the 2016 MBP 15" but adds Kaby lake, what kind of results would we expect? Same battery life or slightly better?
 
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So if Apple keeps the current size battery in the 2016 MBP 15" but adds Kaby lake, what kind of results would we expect? Same battery life or slightly better?

Slightly better. Kaby lake has very little power improvement over skylake but reports are that battery life improvements are much more significant
 
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32gb ram (KL/battery) would be a game changer and makes the buy a no brainer for me, even if they don't touch the touch bar, ports or keyboard. The question is... glossy or matte? ;)
 
Slightly better. Kaby lake has very little power improvement over skylake but reports are that battery life improvements are much more significant

Hey, I love your signature,
"Whenever I go to delete an app on my iPhone, I like to pretend the shaking icons are all screaming loudly in panic over who's getting axed"

I never thought of that but now every time I go to delete an App, I'm going to think of this, Ha No!! not me, please...(funny)
 
Slightly better. Kaby lake has very little power improvement over skylake but reports are that battery life improvements are much more significant

The battery improvements of Kaby Lake are due to better hardware video decoding capabilities. For example, as a basic requirement for Netflix Ultra HD 4K you need Kaby Lake. You might be able to muscle it with software decoding on non-Kaby Lake but it'll heat up your device and burn through the battery. Only reason Apple equipped the newest Macbooks with last gen Skylake because it's cheaper to buy so more profitable.
 
How have you dealt with the keyboard? More than anything I wish Apple would jettison the butterfly keyboard first seen in the Macbook.

I love the keyboard. The touch bar is a nuisance. Touch ID is awesome.
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A non issue and nothing to be annoyed about!

Don't take it too literaly.
 
For example, as a basic requirement for Netflix Ultra HD 4K you need Kaby Lake.
Right now you also need Windows 10 and the Microsoft Edge browser. And even if Netflix 4K were supported on Kaby Lake machines in macOS, the displays aren't natively 4K nor are they HDR-capable. So, Netflix 4K viewing on a Kaby Lake MBP is, at best, a marginal improvement over 1080p. And there's still the question as to whether a Kaby Lake-equipped MBP would be HDCP 2.2 compliant; if not, using a new Kaby Lake MBP to watch UHD Netflix on an external display wouldn't even work. Besides, there are much cheaper, more convenient alternatives.

This isn't to say there aren't other viable use-cases for Kaby Lake's built-in 4K hardware encoding/decoding capabilities, but Netflix 4K in macOS doesn't look like a very good one.
 
My only hope with the speculated upgrades is the issues to be solved and get a computer which up to its year with its current gen proccessors at least.

If I am planning to use my MBP for 5 years, I would like my CPU to be at its current gen.

The most important factors for me :

-Battery
-Keyboard Issues
- Manufacturing Defects out of the box ( under the speaker nicks and scrathes)
 
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Right now you also need Windows 10 and the Microsoft Edge browser. And even if Netflix 4K were supported on Kaby Lake machines in macOS, the displays aren't natively 4K nor are they HDR-capable. So, Netflix 4K viewing on a Kaby Lake MBP is, at best, a marginal improvement over 1080p. And there's still the question as to whether a Kaby Lake-equipped MBP would be HDCP 2.2 compliant; if not, using a new Kaby Lake MBP to watch UHD Netflix on an external display wouldn't even work. Besides, there are much cheaper, more convenient alternatives.

This isn't to say there aren't other viable use-cases for Kaby Lake's built-in 4K hardware encoding/decoding capabilities, but Netflix 4K in macOS doesn't look like a very good one.

^^This is why I don't think Apple is going to go on stage in June and tout that now Kaby Lake will do this and will run 4K and this and that....it's most likely going to be a silent update or very brief mention on stage.
 
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TLDR--

what's the deal with Kaby Lake and low power ram?
or-- is this the MBP update that will likely have more than 16GB ram capacity?
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touchID is useful, touchbar - not so much. I need physical keys F, and escape keys!
just for (personal) clarity--

the physical esc key isn't there but, esc is on the touchbar and works as normal, correct?

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personally, i'm not concerned with any of the F keys as i've always just used them in default config hardware controls (brightness/volume/pause/etc) and don't see any problems continue to do the same only with the touchbar

..but esc? i use that often in a couple of my applications.
 
What you're describing is basically a MBP with lower specs.
I'd buy a retina MBA instantly (at current prices, of course) but I'm afraid is not going to happen. With retina on the MBA a lot of people wouldn't buy the MBP just to have more power.

Without the Retina display it's still a MacBook Air! I'd be happy with or without retina.
 
the physical esc key isn't there but, esc is on the touchbar and works as normal, correct?

Yes. The Esc key is now a "soft" key on the TB as opposed to a hard key. It functions as normal.

While I would prefer hard keys for frequently used functions like Esc, and the volume and brightness keys, the criticism of the TB has been completely exaggerated by some. It's a fantastic technology, and I absolutely love it when used in combination with BTT.

It's not perfect, but it's awesome if you know how to customize it and use it. The two features I enjoy the most currently are autofill for forms (like when they as you to fill out your street address, etc.) and how it automatically generates a scrubber when you watch videos.

If it were up to me the Esc and volume/brightness keys would have remained physical keys, and the middle section would be a touchbar.
 
I don't think there will be much time spent at all presenting these computers if they are just minor spec updates. Just because Bloomberg says they will be updated it doesn't mean they will make a big deal out of it.

However if they release an eGPU enclosure and support for it I guess it makes sense to announce at WWDC as will need supporting in apps. I hope for this.

It will probably be 5-10 minutes on the notebooks then onto what ever else. It is very unlikely there will be any physical changes - for the MBP probably Kaby Lake CPU, battery improvements and a better dGPU. I am not sure why anyone would expect anything else.
 
Latest Macbooks with gimmick bar are already a flop but this announcement is nail in the coffin. Hope Apple come up with something competitive otherwise devices like Surface Laptop will obsolete many of the Macbooks.

A flop? I thought they had been selling a shed load of the new MBPs?
 
Latest Macbooks with gimmick bar are already a flop but this announcement is nail in the coffin. Hope Apple come up with something competitive otherwise devices like Surface Laptop will obsolete many of the Macbooks.

You must not be reading the actual news if you are calling the latest Macbooks "a flop." The reality is that despite what you posted they've sold well from the beginning, setting initial sales records and the latest quarterly report stated "Demand for MacBook Pro was very strong, helping to drive overall portables growth of 10%, twice the growth of the portables market."
 
A flop? I thought they had been selling a shed load of the new MBPs?

We do not have the disaggregate data of the recent mac sales.
We do not know, and probably never will, how many:
- new 2016 rMBP,
- new 2016 non TB base 15" rMBP (essentially a 2015 rMBP),
- refurbished 2015.
were sold.

There is a single source that reports that as soon as 2016 rMBP was presented Apple had an incredibile and totally unexpected spike of 2015 rMBP sales...

If that was true, the 2016 rMBP is a spectacular faliure.

If Apple really redesign the rMBP, as some analysts think, it will be a confirmation of the alleged faliure...
 
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