This. There are morons on each platform, doesn't really matter. These are the same people who think it's not important to learn how to use any tool properly.
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This. There are morons on each platform, doesn't really matter. These are the same people who think it's not important to learn how to use any tool properly.
I am a Windows user. 17+ years now.
Actually, yes. See my previous post with verbatim quotes from our Windows-using friends on Engadget (the commenters, not the bloggers themselves).
As a Mac user for 18 years and a Windows user for 17 years, I can assure you from personal experience that the amount of smug and bile that comes from vocal Windows defenders regarding the Mac, despite the fact that the vast majority of them have never laid a finger on one, eclipses anything I've seen in the Mac community. By far. Mac users can be extremely derisive about Microsoft (and I certainly don't hide my feelings about the company), but most of us actually know and use Windows. So our criticisms are based on experience, not ignorant hearsay.
FWIW. YMMV. MSRP.
If I download a Windows 7 trial via the link in your signature, do you get a dollar?
Really? It's much more secure having the firewall turned off by default in Leopard and Snow Leopard? Also, allowing all incoming connection will surely make things very simple for hackers.
Yeah, I know. I should turn my firewall on right? Read on.
First, I want to let you know that Safari always "warns the user" if he/she wants to launch any installer file they "downloaded from the internet."
Anyway, now that the firewall has been enabled on my Mac (it always been), and it doesn't allow every incoming connection. I start getting something like this (image below). (I do NOT own the image, I include it because I don't want to go through the hassle of "taking a screen-shot" and uploading. All credits go to aldoblog.com.)
Oh, wait a second...Is this UAC??! Or is this "Apple's" way to be more secure? Maybe the "Deny" button instead of the "Cancel" in Vista/7 made all the difference!
One last question, are you getting paid?
BTW, I am a Windows, Mac and Linux ( Ubuntu and redhat ) User, they're all good operating systems with their ups and downs. I'm not a fan of any.
You mean like Win64-Bit where most programs are 32-bit running in Wow64? (Yes I know its not called Wow64 anymore)
Really? It's much more secure having the firewall turned off by default in Leopard and Snow Leopard? Also, allowing all incoming connection will surely make things very simple for hackers.
Yeah, I know. I should turn my firewall on right? Read on.
First, I want to let you know that Safari always "warns the user" if he/she wants to launch any installer file they "downloaded from the internet."
Anyway, now that the firewall has been enabled on my Mac (it always been), and it doesn't allow every incoming connection. I start getting something like this (image below). (I do NOT own the image, I include it because I don't want to go through the hassle of "taking a screen-shot" and uploading. All credits go to aldoblog.com.)
Oh, wait a second...Is this UAC??! Or is this "Apple's" way to be more secure? Maybe the "Deny" button instead of the "Cancel" in Vista/7 made all the difference!
One last question, are you getting paid?
BTW, I am a Windows, Mac and Linux ( Ubuntu and redhat ) User, they're all good operating systems with their ups and downs. I'm not a fan of any.
This has ZERO to do with anything I've said. Mac OS X requires a password to install software. The Firewall warning has nothing to do with installing software.
This has ZERO to do with anything I've said. Mac OS X requires a password to install software. The Firewall warning has nothing to do with installing software.
UAC now = Firewall???
This has ZERO to do with anything I've said. Mac OS X requires a password to install software. The Firewall warning has nothing to do with installing software.
As far as I know, Vista's UAC is for everything that would "change" the system. That goes from connecting to a wireless network, installing software, making changes to Windows, running administrator tools and so on...
You also mentioned "security", so I mentioned firewall. Unless firewall has no longer anything to do with security.
But should users have to be burdened with those measures, especially when they're paying good money for the software in question? You're basically saying that you're okay with the idea that security is not really the responsibility of the company who produces the software and sells it. That's the customer's responsibility?
Good thing hospitals don't have that attitude.
Good thing grocery stores don't have that attitude.
Good thing construction workers don't have that attitude.
Good thing auto makers don't have that attitude.
Good thing banks don't have that attitude.
Good thing restaurants don't have that attitude.
Good thing police and firefighters don't have that attitude.
But it's software, so... hey, safety is mostly a burden for you to shoulder.
Go into Pak n Save, are you sure you want to buy that chocolate? It may or may not have sugar in it.
Allow or Deny?
as an end-all post to this thread/tripe, this is the basic truth:
both windows and mac pretty much do the same thing nowadays. the only difference is you will probably be paying 2x more for your mac then you would for an equivalent windows machine. mac users don't mind this and windows users don't care how you spend your money.
and that is that.
both windows and mac pretty much do the same thing nowadays. the only difference is you will probably be paying 2x more for your mac then you would for an equivalent windows machine. mac users don't mind this and windows users don't care how you spend your money.
and that is that.
because windows is used for just that...home, business, enterprise level. i really don't understand how anyone can find that offputting or confusing.
macs are generally just home-based machines for general purpose surfing/email/chat/etc.
That, and for me the fact that you can literally SEE in all windows versions from 95 up to Vista (haven't seen 7 yet) that the OS is made by many different teams and stitched together at the end. It's so clearly apparent that these teams have their own way of working by the way Windows behaves:
- User preferences and settings are all over the place and implemented in different ways
- Changing a setting in one place can affect a setting in another place
- Design is not consistent
I agree with you except on this point. Have you been out of the solar system the past year?
I thought about removing that one, but it sort of makes my point when you think about it.
A brilliant single sentence, that sums up the vast majority of people here perfectly. I realise this is one of, if not the biggest Mac fanboy site around, but the amount of Windows fud posted is hilarious.
I'm stocking up on popcorn, I expect the actual launch to bring much hilarity.
I see many people saying how macs are more expensive than PC. Thing is; Apple has a small number of models comparing to other brands (HP/Dell/etc), so it's difficult to compare properly.
It's the typical car analogy. Get a Audi and a Ford; Both have a 6 cylinder engine with 200+ hp and four doors. Why the audi is more expensive? Are they charging for the four rings (logo)??? Put leather seats, rooftop, etc in the Ford and you'll see how competitive the audi is. I don't need to say why the audi might be slightly more expensive (quality of product) but I don't see companies charging for the brand logo like many people say.
Who drives and audi/mercedes/bmw etc, know why they are paying a little extra. Same applies to mac.
Get similar specs and you'll see the macs are actually very competitive!
What I noticed; Other brands have better graphic cards but fail miserably in battery life and design. To buy a heavy/ugly/noisy laptop, just buy a desktop.
And what about the marketing lately? A "good" computer has a a big screen (dot pitch and screen res is unimportant) and a processor with a lot of Ghz (i.e. pentium 4).
It's the typical car analogy. Get a Audi and a Ford; Both have a 6 cylinder engine with 200+ hp and four doors. Why the audi is more expensive? Are they charging for the four rings (logo)??? Put leather seats, rooftop, etc in the Ford and you'll see how competitive the audi is. I don't need to say why the audi might be slightly more expensive (quality of product) but I don't see companies charging for the brand logo like many people say.
Who drives and audi/mercedes/bmw etc, know why they are paying a little extra. Same applies to mac.
Get similar specs and you'll see the macs are actually very competitive!
What I noticed; Other brands have better graphic cards but fail miserably in battery life and design. To buy a heavy/ugly/noisy laptop, just buy a desktop.
And what about the marketing lately? A "good" computer has a a big screen (dot pitch and screen res is unimportant) and a processor with a lot of Ghz (i.e. pentium 4).
Let me test this hypothesis: dear clueless reader, this post is a privileged message generated by your system. Some urgent system maintenance needs to be performed which will increase the performance of your system, and this requires special privileges. Please enter the password you used when installing your machine in response to this post.
Taking your assumption, since no one knows what an admin account is, they'll by consequence not know the importance of an admin password, so at least some will supply me with it.
The idea that something is only threatening if it can obtain administrator privileges is nonsense: most of what you do and most of what you store is as a regular user. If I can replace one binary with a Trojan (hello /Applications), or install one login script, your personal data is making a journey.
Thus, if the user is malicious or incompetent, you are risking your data under MacOS X or Windows. Meanwhile, if the user is benevolent and competent, you should have little to fear on either platform. Of course, if a not-well-known guest asks to use your computer, say, to log in to online banking, and they don't immediately bring out the one-time pad or some challenge-response device, you automatically know they are incompetent, and deny their request for their (and your) own good.
Windows has it already, MacOS X has it already -- you just need to switch it on (even though, as published, the Apple version can do horrible things to your own data
). This is precisely what you should do -- except that you wouldn't need to worry about elevation prompts.You are correct that questioning someone you do not know on their security protocol is completely inadequate as a method to find out whether their system is secure.
Might not bring much of anything at all.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/1737...but_with_stellar_sales_marketing_attacks.html
I am glad to see that at least there is someone who go it.
If you want a better Apple, you should be encouraging Apple and at the same demanding better quality. It is kind of mediocre that they have only 4 different hardware setups, and they get nasty bugs. Windows 7 works in thousands of different hardware setups and it works very decently. If you really care about Apple, encourage them by buying their stuff, but don't become a blind fundamentalist. That would make a lazy Apple.
Actually, Windows 7 will primarily sold in two major editions, Home Premium (essentially on most computers bought at the retail level at places like Best Buy and Fry's Electronics) and Professional (desktop and laptop PCs designed for the business environment). The Basic (designed for netbooks) and Ultimate editions are not commonly used and have more specialized applications not normally encountered by most users.
(Indeed, within a year I expect even netbooks to sport around 4 GB of RAM and use Intel's new Atom N450 CPU with the "Pine Trail" chipset. These netbooks will run the full Home Premium edition--and in 64-bit mode, too.)
Getting back on topic,
Apple needs to upgrade their iMac and Mac Mini line in order to stave off competition from Windows 7-based desktop machines. It's obvious that the higher-end iMacs will use the new mobile versions of the Intel i7 CPU that was just recently released; I would like Apple to include Blu-ray support as an option on the higher-end models, especially now with Blu-ray players with full Profile 2.0 functionality dropping under the critical US$200 retail cost barrier.Does Windows 7 still "lock up" the UI when a UAC message is on the screen? I only use 7 occasionally for games, so i don't have a deep understanding of how it works in every situation... I can see where that would be a good thing in some cases (FORCE you to answer the question), but I do like how I can go somewhere else before I decide to enter my admin password in OS X. UAC kindof reminds me of modal dialogs in classic Mac OS. Or maybe I'm just missing how to do it...
My experience with Windows 7 RC gets me psyched about it being another nail in the coffin of Microsoft.
Yes, but keep in mind that most users are not power users. Most users will find the Time Machine installation method sufficient for their particular uses. And power users, at least intelligent ones, will have kept everything they need to do a clean install. And they will anticipate the need for it when the time comes.
The only thing that boggles my mind is why there are hardcore windows fans on an apple website? Wouldn't you be more comfortable in some MS forum?
I see no reason a windows user would sign up for this site, excluding those who have iphones and possibly touch's other than to troll every thread/post regarding windows and turn it into some huge argument. Doesn't anyone have anything better to do?
I see no reason a windows user would sign up for this site, excluding those who have iphones and possibly touch's other than to troll every thread/post regarding windows and turn it into some huge argument. Doesn't anyone have anything better to do?