But when has any Apple exec's statements not been "a load of crap"? (Pardon me if it's a "bag of hurt" for you to hear that.)
They're all salemen, pumping their product and bashing the competition.
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But when has any Apple exec's statements not been "a load of crap"? (Pardon me if it's a "bag of hurt" for you to hear that.)
They're all salemen, pumping their product and bashing the competition.
All the windows registry is is a database, similar to the one this post and your post is stored in
Win 7 is coming and it's good
I love my iPhone, Macbook Pro and my Mac Mini. I'll be getting a Mac Pro with the next rev. I love my Macs and wanted to say that first.
Next: Windows 7 is a pretty damn good OS. I have lots of friends who have been using the beta stuff without any problems and they really REALLY like it. Most of the people who have used it extensively are saying that it's the best version of Windows ever and after having a little hands on myself, I have no reason to disagree. The shaking to hide other windows is a very Mac like thing to do. The automatic adjustment when you drag windows to the sides of your screen is fantastic. It runs fast and lean on netbooks and is much MUCH more polished than Vista ever could be. I use Vista for work unfortunately and it's atrocious. Anyways, we should be mindful of trashing Win 7 so much when it is clearly a pretty decent release.
Apple needs to get their stuff in gear. They're still ahead IMHO (as far as quality goes), but it's much closer than it's been in a long time. I'm not really sure where I'd go with the OS. Polishing Snow Leopard will make for an even better OS, but they may have to do something more drastic with the direction of the OS if they want to remain as newsworthy as they have been.
I see iMacs coming with touch screens. I don't think there's a huge practical reason for the iMacs to be touch screens except that it will look old when everyone else starts releasing touch computers (it's begun already and I expect many more next year). Maybe some touch OS for the desktop. It would retain 10.6, but flip into touch mode when your finger gets near the screen. Heck, maybe when you're far away it switches into Apple TV mode like it senses the 3 levels of interaction distance.
I love my iPhone, Macbook Pro and my Mac Mini. I'll be getting a Mac Pro with the next rev. I love my Macs and wanted to say that first.
Next: Windows 7 is a pretty damn good OS. I have lots of friends who have been using the beta stuff without any problems and they really REALLY like it. Most of the people who have used it extensively are saying that it's the best version of Windows ever and after having a little hands on myself, I have no reason to disagree. The shaking to hide other windows is a very Mac like thing to do. The automatic adjustment when you drag windows to the sides of your screen is fantastic. It runs fast and lean on netbooks and is much MUCH more polished than Vista ever could be. I use Vista for work unfortunately and it's atrocious. Anyways, we should be mindful of trashing Win 7 so much when it is clearly a pretty decent release.
Apple needs to get their stuff in gear. They're still ahead IMHO (as far as quality goes), but it's much closer than it's been in a long time. I'm not really sure where I'd go with the OS. Polishing Snow Leopard will make for an even better OS, but they may have to do something more drastic with the direction of the OS if they want to remain as newsworthy as they have been.
I see iMacs coming with touch screens. I don't think there's a huge practical reason for the iMacs to be touch screens except that it will look old when everyone else starts releasing touch computers (it's begun already and I expect many more next year). Maybe some touch OS for the desktop. It would retain 10.6, but flip into touch mode when your finger gets near the screen. Heck, maybe when you're far away it switches into Apple TV mode like it senses the 3 levels of interaction distance.
Developers are notirius for hiding files with names and plist hex files that are nit even close to the programs name. This is how they keep you from installing a demo and uninstallibg it in order to try it again. Quite frankly, I dint like the idea of hidden files that are there nit by choice vwith regard to amall in size, run oynx and run all the cleaners that will remove most of theses files including logs. I have retieved more than 2 gigs if free space. That is not by any means, small.
And is you close your system down every night the dailey weekly scripts will not execute sland the will slow you down. Lastly, the way ram works in osx I dint care for. You can close almost all you prframs and if you have a usenet program running, you'll see a virtual swap file of 2-4 GB, bringing your system to a crawl. This is why they male ifreememory for the mac. Again, all OSes can have their strong and weak points. I use both. Mac 90% of the time and the other 10% on windows is normally audio content creation. Which i Aldo do on the mac. Logic still has a few things that don't work as easy as say Steinbergs Nuendo. But it's still a good deal, especially at $250 if you can have am Apple friend buy it for you.
Cheers peace. Have a safe and blessed week everyone.
And is you close your system down every night the dailey weekly scripts will not execute sland the will slow you down. Lastly, the way ram works in osx I dint care for. You can close almost all you prframs and if you have a usenet program running, you'll see a virtual swap file of 2-4 GB, bringing your system to a crawl. This is why they male ifreememory for the mac. Again, all OSes can have their strong and weak points. I use both. Mac 90% of the time and the other 10% on windows is normally audio content creation. Which i Aldo do on the mac. Logic still has a few things that don't work as easy as say Steinbergs Nuendo. But it's still a good deal, especially at $250 if you can have am Apple friend buy it for you.
Cheers peace. Have a safe and blessed week everyone.
Without hijacking the thread too much, although we've come a long way from marketing to registry, that I have screen shots of Apples BOH also know as back of house where it shows mccaffee virus snlcanner unstalked plus Apple never update from Tiger to Leopard for almost 7 months. Ask any Apple retail employee. They will confirm this.
Just saying. Wonder why that news never made headlines. It was around the time too when Apple said they had an old article on viruses yet it still runs to this day and all retail comptuers are imager in a way that if you feletevEVERYTHING upon reboot, it's all back to normal. Therefore every day the computers are starting up fresh with no trash or anything you tried to store.
Peace.
Just saying. Wonder why that news never made headlines. It was around the time too when Apple said they had an old article on viruses yet it still runs to this day and all retail comptuers are imager in a way that if you feletevEVERYTHING upon reboot, it's all back to normal. Therefore every day the computers are starting up fresh with no trash or anything you tried to store.
Peace.
That's some revisionist reasoning you're doing there. If you check the news archives of sites such as this you'll see that Macs started their upward market share trajectory before the Intel switch had been announced. For example, in 2005, Apple saw a 44.6% increase in Mac sales, year-on-year.
While it'd be false to say that there are no sales to people that use the hardware only to run Windows (and, you know, good for them), there's no solid reason whatsoever to believe that Apple's still-growing share is due "mostly" to those buying for Windows. If anything, the best information implies the opposite, albeit without great rigour.
Thats par of the course with conventional computing. Any type of any method has inherent flaws.
they also live off the not so minor detail that 95% of the users out there are not geeks (like the folks here) and don't know how to deal with these issues by hand and don't want to know.
help. I have a friend that was lucky enough to get the devo releases and he says that they have come a long way towards fixing Vista. It's not perfect yet but it's a lot closer than it has been.
that's the thing. right now there is no where to go. when there is, Apple will go there. In the meantime, why not let them take a breather to just polish, debug etc. Even a meaner leaner snow kitty is an improvement. get everything running at a 10 (okay a solid 9.5) before they toss in something else. Just like this lack of any new cellular tech gives them time to polish the iphone and its OS
and that is the reason why it won't be. internal support for touchscreen for businesses that want to use the system for an POS perhaps. multitouch with a touchpad on the keyboard (like the mockups going around) sure.
but an actual touchscreen on the imac is totally impractical.
and when has Apple ever done something because they don't want to look old or cause everyone else is doing it.
which I'll give odds you aren't supposed to be doing or talking about. given Apple's cult of secrecy
yeah and? I went in and asked employees at 3 stores about the virus issue and at all 3 was told that for the average user it's not really a major issue at this point, but if you are in fact using your computers you can't be too careful.
again odds no they won't. knowing Apple it's a fireable issue to discuss anything about their computer configurations, operations etc. same as almost every other company
yeah, assuming this is true, what is the big deal about that. these are their computers, why shouldn't they delete all the crap customers put on the machines. and in a way that makes it easy.
Back to the actual topic, it looks like they are gearing up for a media blitz.
Mac OS Xs Sr. Marketing Director, Brian Croll, actually contacted PC Magazine last week to setup a Why Snow Leopard is better than Windows 7 PR interview.
http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%3D245119,00.asp
This is on top of Phil Schillers interview with Business Week last week.
It seems a bit weird that theyre taking this approach. Normally, Apple has just ignored other Windows launch events and made fun of the products imperfections after the fact.
Maybe they see Windows 7 as a threat? Or Snow Leopard didnt generate the lovable buzz that OS X releases normally generate? You sure didnt see this type of pro-active PR going on with Windows Vista or XP.
Mac OS Xs Sr. Marketing Director, Brian Croll, actually contacted PC Magazine last week to setup a Why Snow Leopard is better than Windows 7 PR interview.
http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%3D245119,00.asp
This is on top of Phil Schillers interview with Business Week last week.
It seems a bit weird that theyre taking this approach. Normally, Apple has just ignored other Windows launch events and made fun of the products imperfections after the fact.
Maybe they see Windows 7 as a threat? Or Snow Leopard didnt generate the lovable buzz that OS X releases normally generate? You sure didnt see this type of pro-active PR going on with Windows Vista or XP.
Apple seem to be giving the Windows 7 launch more attention than they actually gave to their own Snow Leopard launch, which seemed very low key at the time.
None of Apple’s brass have really even mentioned Snow Leopard since it launched. That is until last week. Now all of a sudden, it’s supposedly a better upgrade than Windows 7.
Jobs didn’t even allude to it in his keynote. Not one, “And of course iTunes 9 runs fantastic on Snow Leopard.” zings he likes to throw out there.
I’m beginning to think they underestimated Windows 7. With all “goodwill” PR it’s generating, you would think it was an Apple product.
Not a bag of hurt at all, I'm a proud PC guy
And another thing, if Apple want to convince users to switch, they should really do something about iTunes on Windows. It's a slow, chuggy, RAM hogging first impression.
This coming from Steve Ballmer's lead cheerleader on MacRumors?
If you call "cheerleading" trying to combat FUD, misinformation, ignorance and outright lies about Windows - then I'm proudly guilty as charged.
...and I'm always amused by the perverse fascination that Apple fans have for Gates and Ballmer. Very few corporations have a personality cult like Apple, and somehow y'all seem disappointed that Microsoft doesn't have one. Which is good, since Microsoft's stock doesn't drop 10% if Ballmer sneezes.
I say. Yes.
On one hand you have IT departments still on win XP. So you know those millions of businesses will update.
Teh you have $29 promo for teachers and students. And peeps who are not students probaby know a teacher. My wife is one and has a dozen or so teacher friends. For 29 doloR this gets you a legit copy with tech support. Ao expect millions to update. Most will probably get a new HD and have dual boot ifvthey don't buy a new system. Then you have apple and iphones thY still don't play flash translation, it eats away at iTunes sales.
Why offer ABC lost season 1-5 for free when they can sell each episode for $1.99 -$2.99.
Then you have apple selling desktops with server parts and no mid range machine. Again PeoSumers are 10,000 to 1 on pro sales. Avid saw this and bought maudio and make anfoetune now as people are nit buying pro tools TDM systems anymore.
Then of course everything else are mobile parts.
Apple REALLY needs a headless mid range system for creatives. Plus they took the express slot away from the 15 inch. So now all pros need to get the 17 inch. Apple has a lot of work to do and they had better hope that R&D has stronger machines that target PoltoSumer and stop focusing on iPhone iLife users.
On one hand you have IT departments still on win XP. So you know those millions of businesses will update.
Teh you have $29 promo for teachers and students. And peeps who are not students probaby know a teacher. My wife is one and has a dozen or so teacher friends. For 29 doloR this gets you a legit copy with tech support. Ao expect millions to update. Most will probably get a new HD and have dual boot ifvthey don't buy a new system. Then you have apple and iphones thY still don't play flash translation, it eats away at iTunes sales.
Why offer ABC lost season 1-5 for free when they can sell each episode for $1.99 -$2.99.
Then you have apple selling desktops with server parts and no mid range machine. Again PeoSumers are 10,000 to 1 on pro sales. Avid saw this and bought maudio and make anfoetune now as people are nit buying pro tools TDM systems anymore.
Then of course everything else are mobile parts.
Apple REALLY needs a headless mid range system for creatives. Plus they took the express slot away from the 15 inch. So now all pros need to get the 17 inch. Apple has a lot of work to do and they had better hope that R&D has stronger machines that target PoltoSumer and stop focusing on iPhone iLife users.
Is it ok if I use that line as my signature?
oh, and tweet it and use it as my facebook status message?
Have a Ballmer brownie.
Sadly for you, many of us here have many years of actual hands-on experience with Windows and know first hand of it's mediocre quality.
No FUD necessary.
Sadly for you, you haven't really tried Windows since 98. Yes, it is FUD.
We could go on for eternity with this argument.
Bzzt. Try again. I've been using XP since release and Win 7 RC since release. All day. Every day. 17 years of Microsoft-based torture in total. Sorry to shoot down your lame "ignorance" argument.
And you would be eternally wrong.
Troll Different.
Why would I be wrong?
Because you say I'm wrong? What kind of authority are you on the matter? You can say whatever you want, in this sense it doesn't mean anything at all. You describe your experience as torture, which simple shows your bias against Microsoft. You cannot prove you have more experience than I do regarding Windows or Microsoft. I cannot do it either, and that's why I say we could go on for eternity. What I can do, is that I can say to you that my experience since W2000 has been great, ignoring Vista pre-SP1. Other than that my complaints are few. I could go on with details but that's not the point.
Because your opinion is backed up by many others? That doesn't count either, because then there is also a group of people who will say that Windows is great and it is what they need. Whether they have tried Linux or OSX goes beyond the point again, since they don't see the need because Windows works for them. People have a terrible perception about MS, and I have to be honest, MS deserves it. But to say Windows 7 is as bad as Windows ME is just as ignorant as it gets. Again, going on with details is not the point.
To be honest, I don't even know why are we arguing, as a matter of fact I had to scroll up to look at the title of the thread. You don't like Windows, that's perfectly fine, just bear in mind, that is only your opinion.
Sorry to shoot down your "whatever the hell you are trying to do" argument.
No, because you said I haven't used Windows since Windows 98, which is 100% wrong.
And my opinion that Windows is crap isn't bias, it's experience. And yes, some people may enjoy Windows and that's perfectly fine with me. I just don't expect to be seeing the "Mac sucks, Windows is awesome" argument on MacRumors of all places, but the WinBots are thick as flies around here these days. Apparently there is no WindowsRumors site where they can hang out.
Or they're here with a hidden agenda (see AidenShaw).
My agenda isn't hidden - I don't like to see lies, FUD, half-truths and innuendo being presented as facts here.
And it's so amusing that you're so paranoid that you assume that's masking some other agenda....
It will be so much fun on Thursday when all of the new Windows 7 systems are unveiled. Hmmm, shall we compare the $699 Core i5 systems from Dell and HP with the $1999 Core i5 system from Apple?
Because while you may have been the exception, it seems that the rule opposes you.
This, of course, raises the question of, if Vista was so good, why did so few corporations adopt it? Why, if XP is so bad, do so many corporations still use it. And of course, why, if XP and Vista are so superior to W2K, are certain major corporations still using W2K even though it's no longer officially supported by Microsoft?
I think the comment was that Windows Vista was as bad as ME, not 7. However, until Win7 hits the real world, we really don't know how well or how badly it will perform.
And here, again, is your problem - you seem to think you speak for everybody who uses or has used Windows, without taking into consideration that more and more people each year are moving away from it. Even major corporations have felt the pain of being locked into a Windows environment and are looking for a means to escape without destroying all their existing data. Some of them are already moving elsewhere.
Only someone unfamiliar with corporate IT would even ask this question. A fundamental tenet of corporate IT is "not fixing what ain't broke". If your Win2K (or even Win95) systems are meeting your corporate needs, the cost/benefit analysis quickly says "don't upgrade". (Fry's point-of-sale and inventory systems run on MS-DOS today....)
Vista basically needed more cpu/memory/disk/graphics than a typical 3 year old PC provided at the end of 2006. That meant that the first step in a Vista migration would be to upgrade hardware on hundreds/thousands/10's of thousands/100's of thousands of desktop.
However, today Windows 7 runs fine on 3 year old PCs. (Note that today's 3 year old PCs were new when Vista was released.)