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Only someone unfamiliar with corporate IT would even ask this question. A fundamental tenet of corporate IT is "not fixing what ain't broke". If your Win2K (or even Win95) systems are meeting your corporate needs, the cost/benefit analysis quickly says "don't upgrade". (Fry's point-of-sale and inventory systems run on MS-DOS today....)

Vista basically needed more cpu/memory/disk/graphics than a typical 3 year old PC provided at the end of 2006. That meant that the first step in a Vista migration would be to upgrade hardware on hundreds/thousands/10's of thousands/100's of thousands of desktop.

However, today Windows 7 runs fine on 3 year old PCs. (Note that today's 3 year old PCs were new when Vista was released.)

OMG, somewhere actually know the intricacies of corporate IT.
 
Only someone unfamiliar with corporate IT would even ask this question. A fundamental tenet of corporate IT is "not fixing what ain't broke". If your Win2K (or even Win95) systems are meeting your corporate needs, the cost/benefit analysis quickly says "don't upgrade". (Fry's point-of-sale and inventory systems run on MS-DOS today....)
They're using some sort of terminal service for inventory. I remember at last glance it might have said Novell. The client end is running on top of XP.
 
No, because you said I haven't used Windows since Windows 98, which is 100% wrong.

And my opinion that Windows is crap isn't bias, it's experience. And yes, some people may enjoy Windows and that's perfectly fine with me. I just don't expect to be seeing the "Mac sucks, Windows is awesome" argument on MacRumors of all places, but the WinBots are thick as flies around here these days. Apparently there is no WindowsRumors site where they can hang out.

Or they're here with a hidden agenda (see AidenShaw).

No erm, I was saying that you are wrong when you say Windows is crap. Of course now you've made it very clear this is your opinion and there is nothing anyone can do about it, so carry on by all means.

But, I don't see the logic behind believing that every person that defends MS is working for them or have a hidden agenda. This is just pure and blind fanboyism, I'm sorry. And, for the record, I've never said Mac sucks, anything of the sort.

And here, again, is your problem - you seem to think you speak for everybody who uses or has used Windows, without taking into consideration that more and more people each year are moving away from it. Even major corporations have felt the pain of being locked into a Windows environment and are looking for a means to escape without destroying all their existing data. Some of them are already moving elsewhere.

No it isn't. I'm just pointing out the same behavior from the opposite side. Some people here say that Microsoft is evil, and Balmer should be murdered (yes, I can quote that if you want) and Windows is trash and they do speak like if they represented the whole population. Those "big corporations" didn't move to Vista due to it's hardware requirements. I worked in HP for around a year, and while they weren't exactly pushing Vista, they do give the option to install Vista in your workstation. The case with 7 is different, corporations are moving, it is just a matter of time.

I do agree with your point about being locked on to MS, especially when it comes to products like Exchange and Live Communicator Server, but the truth is that those are among the best options out there. (Exchange+Office Communicator Server+Sharepoint services+Outlook is a great combination, but I can't wait until a competing OSS solution comes around).

Consumers are also not moving en masse to OSX or Linux, but the fact that a small percentage is just means that MS should be working harder, and they have. Windows 7 is just an answer to this small trend. It's fine by me if you say something like "I used W7 but I'm happier with OX" but saying that Windows 7 is the same "trash" OS is just an uneducated comment.
 
No erm, I was saying that you are wrong when you say Windows is crap.

No, you said, and I quote, "Sadly for you, you haven't really tried Windows since 98. Yes, it is FUD."

And that is entirely incorrect.

And I'm not sure who you are quoting in that second quote in your last post but it wasn't me (though it's implied to be me in the way you quoted it). You might want to include the correct attributes in your quotes next time... ;)
 
Can't get to page 11...

No, you said, and I quote, "Sadly for you, you haven't really tried Windows since 98. Yes, it is FUD."

And that is entirely incorrect.

And I'm not sure who you are quoting in that second quote in your last post but it wasn't me (though it's implied to be me in the way you quoted it). You might want to include the correct attributes in your quotes next time...

No, I'm sorry if you misunderstood my post, but my point was that saying that windows is trash is FUD.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "that second quote" but I said "some people in here".

peace.
 
My agenda isn't hidden - I don't like to see lies, FUD, half-truths and innuendo being presented as facts here.

And it's so amusing that you're so paranoid that you assume that's masking some other agenda....

Yes Aiden, I'm sure your 6,125 (as of this moment) pro-Microsoft/Dell anti-Apple posts on MacRumors (wow, a full-time job almost - I have only 1,040 posts in the same amount of time and I spend entirely too much time here (and I'm an actual Mac user, no less)) are just your way of bringing truth and justice to this tiny corner of the FUD-filled Internet without any personal benefit to you whatsoever aside from the perverse joy of spreading the plague of Windows from sea to shining sea. :rolleyes:

Your arguments that you have no hidden agenda are about as convincing as your arguments about the beauty of Microsoft software. Which is to say, not very convincing at all.
 
Yes Aiden, I'm sure your 6,125 (as of this moment) pro-Microsoft/Dell anti-Apple posts on MacRumors (wow, a full-time job almost - I have only 1,040 posts in the same amount of time and I spend entirely too much time here (and I'm an actual Mac user, no less)) are just your way of bringing truth and justice to this tiny corner of the FUD-filled Internet without any personal benefit to you whatsoever aside from the perverse joy of spreading the plague of Windows from sea to shining sea. :rolleyes:

Your arguments that you have no hidden agenda are about as convincing as your arguments about the beauty of Microsoft software. Which is to say, not very convincing at all.

"Let the wars begin,
Let my strength wear thin,
Let my fingers crack,
let my world fall apart,
Training monkeys on my back to fight"

I just thought it was fitting.
 
No, I'm sorry if you misunderstood my post, but my point was that saying that windows is trash is FUD.

How could I misunderstand it? It was 3 short, simple sentences. The first one saying I hadn't tried Windows since Windows 98. Seems pretty clear to me (albeit wrong).

Oh, and saying Windows is trash isn't FUD, it's opinion. FUD is something entirely different:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "that second quote" but I said "some people in here".

You quoted me and then responded and then quoted someone else and responded, but you didn't attribute that second quote to its original poster. So it looked like it was coming from me. Even though it wasn't.
 
They're using some sort of terminal service for inventory. I remember at last glance it might have said Novell. The client end is running on top of XP.

The systems in the store (maybe not at the cash register, but the ones out in the aisles for inventory and "cage" sales) are running Novell Netware on MS-DOS.

This summer one of the driods power-cycled a hung system, and the MS-DOS boot followed by Netware login was obvious. (The "hang" was actually a server or network problem, all the systems recovered on their own a few minutes later. The reboot was unnecessary.)
 
Yes Aiden, I'm sure your 6,125 (as of this moment) pro-Microsoft/Dell anti-Apple posts on MacRumors (wow, a full-time job almost).

Two and a half posts a day is a full-time job? I'm glad that I'm not your manager - I expect more output than that from the people who report to me.... ;)


Your arguments that you have no hidden agenda are about as convincing as your arguments about the beauty of Microsoft software. Which is to say, not very convincing at all.

You must have run out of valid responses to my arguments, since you're spending your time on FUD and ad hominem arguments questioning my motives - but not my statements.
 
How could I misunderstand it? It was 3 short, simple sentences. The first one saying I hadn't tried Windows since Windows 98. Seems pretty clear to me (albeit wrong).



You quoted me and then responded and then quoted someone else and responded, but you didn't attribute that second quote to its original poster. So it looked like it was coming from me. Even though it wasn't.


Ahh jeeez, the same pattern over and over again. You are absolutely right, I am wrong..... happy?
 
You must have run out of valid responses to my arguments, since you're spending your time on FUD and ad hominem arguments questioning my motives - but not my statements.

I'm not disputing your arguments, I'm disputing your motivation. Your arguments that Windows rocks, Dells are a better value proposition than Macs, and Apple is Satan's spawn are your opinions and you're free to have them (and voice them) as you please. I only question why you are so dedicated to doing so, so tirelessly, on a Mac users forum of all places (and spare us the "I can't stand untruths" horsepucky - if that's the case you would have run away from Microsoft years ago as they are truly the masters of FUD).

You won't honestly answer the question of course, and I certainly don't expect it. I assume we'll circle back to this again eventually. Until then, back to your Win 7/Dell shilling. You gotta do your job...
 
You won't honestly answer the question of course, and I certainly don't expect it. I assume we'll circle back to this again eventually. Until then, back to your Win 7/Dell shilling. You gotta do your job...

Actually I have, you just won't believe the answer.

I'm going to ignore your personal attacks.

If you want to debate aspects of computer systems I'm here - but if your posts are against me instead of my arguments I'll not respond.
 
"Let the wars begin,
Let my strength wear thin,
Let my fingers crack,
let my world fall apart,
Training monkeys on my back to fight"

I just thought it was fitting.

And a fitting comment on today's Apple announcements:

In this world of news, I've found nothing new
I've found nothing pure

It's not surprising that Apple didn't hold an event, nothing deserved one.

On the other hand, a Core i5 and Core i7 Mini-tower on the eve of the Windows 7 announcement, along with 21.5" and 27" Cinema displays -- that would have been keynote-worthy.
 
And a fitting comment on today's Apple announcements:

In this world of news, I've found nothing new
I've found nothing pure

It's not surprising that Apple didn't hold an event, nothing deserved one.

On the other hand, a Core i5 and Core i7 Mini-tower on the eve of the Windows 7 announcement, along with 21.5" and 27" Cinema displays -- that would have been keynote-worthy.

lol i didnt know u listened to switchfoot.
 
OSX has DLLs to

Mac OS X’s Sr. Marketing Director, Brian Croll, actually contacted PC Magazine last week to setup a “Why Snow Leopard is better than Windows 7” PR interview.

http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%3D245119,00.asp

This quote from Croll is amusing:

BC: Mac OS X is much simpler than Windows. We're more advanced from a technological standpoint. Windows 7 still has DLL and the Registry,

Someone should tell Apple Marketing that the Apple OS also has DLLs - just with a different spelling.

Or maybe Windows should eliminate this pointless argument by changing the spelling from ".DLL" ;)
 
Someone should tell Apple Marketing that the Apple OS also has DLLs - just with a different spelling.

Or maybe Windows should eliminate this pointless argument by changing the spelling from ".DLL" ;)

I've never had to go into a Registry on OS X to modify a line of code to get clip art thumbnails to display in PowerPoint like I did in Windows. Per a Microsoft KB. Yes, an end user has to change a line of code in Windows to enable basic functionality like clip art thumbnails.

That's the joy of Windows. Spin it as you will. (And you will.)
 
I've never had to go into a Registry on OS X to modify a line of code to get clip art thumbnails to display in PowerPoint like I did in Windows. Per a Microsoft KB. Yes, an end user has to change a line of code in Windows to enable basic functionality like clip art thumbnails.

That's the joy of Windows. Spin it as you will. (And you will.)

I've never ever had to do that. And I've been using clip arts since the Office 97 days :O

Care to show me the KB so we can actually see what was the issue?
 
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