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Apple to Collect 27% Commission on Third-Party App Payment Systems in the Netherlands

turbineseaplane said:
The disrespect with which Apple treats their third party developers is simply incredible.

The iPhone would be basically a nothing burger -- truly -- without third party developers, their IP, their amazing creative work and how attractive all that makes it to own and use an iPhone.
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Developer apps would be nothing without the amazing hardware and software tools that Apple developed. Why do you think this is only one sided? Where is the disrespect?

Currently Apple takes 30% and the developer keeps 70% — seems fair to me. If you want another way in to get at Apple’s customers and avoid the 30%, doesn’t that appear greedy and unfair on your part?
 
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You mean the app store that allows for dozens upon dozens of clone copies of the same game, the same garbage "photos" app, the same latest trend app carbon copied 50x over and loaded with ads that pop up every 20 seconds? And apps with a 4.9 star rating, until you actually read the reviews and they are all complaining that the app doesn't actually do what its advertising to do. That app store? Yeah, so much for an apple curated experience. Not worth 1% in my book.
 
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There is a reason the affectionate name is the Crap Store

Apple does an awful job on any type of review and curation.
They just like the monopoly on iOS app distribution and revenue collection.

It’s only about money folks
 
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JamieLannister said:
Well boohoo. I am on the side of Apple on this one. They own this platform and own everything that has to do with an iPhone, iPad, iWatch, iCar, iLife.

You want options and apple offers only one? Well cry me a river. It's now about who is greedier than who. Both are greedy but I'm gonna have to side with the greedy Tim Crook here. You can go ahead and build your own platform. Dutch govt wants a say then so be it. I wished apple would make it 10x harder for these people. Bite the hand the feeds you is the saying here.

I buy in-app purchases under a family plan shared with kids. It's so easy for me to just have them click and buy and ask for permission. I don't need any other method to pay. And don't side load, please. I didn't buy a closed system so that you can side load your dumb into my devices.
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I don't know anyone who bought an iphone because "its a closed system and I like it that way". Mostly because an iphone has the image of the most premium device available and everyone else has one so I want one too. Allowing for sideloading of apps isn't going to hurt you in any way if you never actually use that feature. No reason to hate on other people who want that option if you never plan on using it and it doesn't change the way you use your device.
 
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Apple has decided that antitrust is a power struggle between them and regulators, and they will play dirty.

If the Open App Markets Act passes, expect that the new requirements for an Apple Developer Account are sending a monthly invoice of your app sales to Apple and then billing you ~30%!
 
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CubeHacker said:
I don't know anyone who bought an iphone because "its a closed system and I like it that way"
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Me either.
It’s always about “it has the best camera, right?”

(Which is usually not true at any given time)

Combined with, as you said, very premium hardware and amazing marketing.
 
turbineseaplane said:
Me either.
It’s always about “it has the best camera, right?”

(Which is usually not true at any given time)

Combined with, as you said, very premium hardware and amazing marketing.
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It's not out of the realm of possibility people buy the iphone for the camera and the ecosystem, of which, this includes the app store. And people, imo, generally understand the ios app store is generally a safe, closed ecosystem.
 
Kierkegaarden said:
Developer apps would be nothing without the amazing hardware and software tools that Apple developed. Why do you think this is only one sided? Where is the disrespect?

Currently Apple takes 30% and the developer keeps 70% — seems fair to me. If you want another way in to get at Apple’s customers and avoid the 30%, doesn’t that appear greedy and unfair on your part?
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Apple's App Store would be nothing without the amazing internet access connection from my local cable company. And the cellular operator.

What would the App Store do without them? Ship the iOS apps I ordered to me on a Lightning flash drive - or on physical CD (to transfer them to my phone via a computer)?

Why should Apple be allowed to be freeloading on the expensive networks these internet access providers provide?

It only seems fair that they'll take a fair commission from Apple for every sale through their pipes. So what would be a fair rate? 30% maybe?
 
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AppliedMicro said:
Apple's App Store would be nothing without the amazing internet access connection from my local cable company. And the cellular operator.

What would the App Store do without them? Ship the iOS apps I ordered to me on a Lightning flash drive - or on physical CD (to transfer them to my phone via a computer)?

Why should Apple be allowed to be freeloading on the expensive networks these internet access providers provide?

It only seems fair that they'll take a fair commission from Apple for every sale through their pipes.

What would be a fair rate? 30% maybe?
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Without the amazing internet access, nothing would move in today's economy...it's not like Apple is the only company offering products and services benefiting from good, amazing, internet connections.
 
Powerbooky said:
No, one of the largest parties in the current Dutch government is very very neoliberal. Their goal is changing everything to gain more profits for big business at the expense of the people. If everything would go to their views, all taxes would flow in their pockets and all government duties, including police departments, would be fully commercial/privatised.
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What’s going on with the Dutch government? Any link to an article that explains this?
 
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I7guy said:
Without the amazing internet access, nothing would move in today's economy...it's not like Apple is the only company offering products and services benefiting from good, amazing, internet connections.
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So they should be getting a cut of all the transactions going across their pipes, yeah?
 
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I7guy said:
Whataboutism? I think we need to wait for that to happen, if at all.
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Well they are billing dating arrangements (services), don’t know how is that different from groceries … how can the App Store process returns on that? How does it have even the business legitimacy to return any money if not for the cash given for the App itself?

“Oh Apple I did not like the dating arrangements you made, please return my money? Apple: What? I can return the App money … wait it was free so … go and talk with the other guys ”

A few years ago that would be whataboutism. The company even has the position of slapping govs in the face … oh I’ll take out 3% of out of my 30% comission into your business … just because you want bill it and process payments yourselfs … devs ..
 
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Boris Bronson said:
What do you mean doesn’t come close?

They make in excess of $2bn alone in developer subscriptions.

Are we basing all this off some figure some random dude pulled out of their arse (the 8bn)?
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My napkin math made a few years ago suggested that Apple needs to charge around 20% to break even.

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Granted, it's totally my own estimates, so make of it what you will.
 
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turbineseaplane said:
I don’t… It’s just asymmetrically tilted in apples favor right now
Sorry I didn’t encapsulate all my views in that one post.

I’ve been posting about this a ton the last few days.
Cheers
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You are right, doesn't the app developer get 70% and Apple gets 30% or in this case 27%? Unless I am missing something that is what it looks like. What would make you happy, because judging from your posts you have a distaste, to say the least, of Apple and their App Store. It would also seem, nothing would make you happy at this point other than no Apple App Store.
 
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rhett7660 said:
You are right, doesn't the app developer get 70% and Apple gets 30% or in this case 27%? Unless I am missing something that is what it looks like. What would make you happy, because judging from your posts you have a distaste, to say the least, of Apple and their App Store. It would also seem, nothing would make you happy at this point other than no Apple App Store.
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If you're read that much of my posting history on this, you should know the answer!
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(not trying to be a jerk or evasive, but I've posted elaborately about all this for days on end - please read the forum threads and the answers are already posted)
 
Nuno Lopes said:
So if eventually Apple decides to start billing for Groceries sold in app how does that work? The App Store now sells groceries, returns? What about remote math lessons, how are returns processed? How does the App Store return a eBook sold IAP if it does not even sell books? Oh I did not like the math lesson … how does the App Store processes the return … how if not for the business service actually practicing it? An, yeah, sure process the return, anything beyond that is not really the App Store doing the work.
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Apple can just return the money to the customer and charging the developer (the legal entity who entered into an agreement with Apple) for the same amount.

Apple won't get involved with physical delivery and transactions for non-digital goods, but if they did, they can just return the money and say it's up to the developer to handle the physical stuff.

Also, when Apple returns money to customers, they are still keeping their cut, so the developers will have a negative sale.
 
hans1972 said:
Also, when Apple returns money to customers, they are still keeping their cut, so the developers will have a negative sale.
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I believe Apple changed this a few years ago where they will now refund the full amount (including their cut) to the developer.
 
Rogifan said:
Yet Apple’s IAP doesn’t apply to non-digital goods or to things purchased in the browser.
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Again, IAP's are there because the ability to play the game is free. So, is it fair that Apple can essentially give away a free game while the dev makes 100% off the IAP? Once that becomes the case, ALL apps on the AppStore will be free with IAP to actually do anything.

Think!!
 
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