I don’t really care about developers either but I DO care about having access to game streaming apps, emulators, torrent clients and host of other software that’s currently blocked by Apple’s policies.
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Apple to Collect 27% Commission on Third-Party App Payment Systems in the Netherlands
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Apple wants to make sure we never find out
The answer doesn't really matter as long as they hold a monopoly on App distribution for all of iOS.
They love it.
Monopolists love monopoly pricing power
So far Apple has not been proven in a court of law to be a monopoly. Even if one wants to say it more narrowly in the digital gaming market. But vote with your $$$ people if you don't like it. The problem is apple has a valid and legal enterprise. Now that may change in the future, but now, one call call apple a "monopolist", but really they are a "legal monopolist".
They have a monopoly on iOS App distribution
I specifically said that exact phrase
The marketplace for iOS Apps is the market with which my comments are contained here.
What do you mean doesn’t come close?
They make in excess of $2bn alone in developer subscriptions.
Are we basing all this off some figure some random dude pulled out of their arse (the 8bn)?
That's exactly why it's worth it.
Also, for those of us just wanting to have one store it's better to have a one decent stores than many stores in which one or two are great.
Yes, but I don't want those things. You can get them all on Androids.
Wait - one "decent" store is better than multiple options in which you admit "one or two are great"?
That's a really weird preference.
I'm fairly certain most developers would prefer to have a "great" option(s) as opposed to forever and only always being under the thumb of one "decent" option (that might not always be decent and since there is no choice, you are screwed)
Aww, that makes me sad
I consider developers and programmers to be morally corrupt and dangerous people until proven otherwise.
Every malware ever created, every ad shown, every personal information collected etc. wouldn't have been possible without some programmer somewhere writing the underlying code.
Apple has a legal monopoly on ios app distribution as of this post. Similar to Ferrari having a legal monopoly on the sale and distribution of their new from factory cars.
One store is the greatest invention of the iOS system:
* Simplicity and convenience
* One place to get all the apps which practically exist
* One return policy
* One UI
* No time wasted on checking out other stores
* No time needed to learn how another store operates
Also since Apple is running the store:
* No need to login (part of the OS)
* No need to provide information and payment information (since you already done that as part of iCloud)
By the way Apple..
When you have Federico Vittici of all people calling you out, you are really in new (and wrong) territory
Apple are finding ways to make enemies of their most voracious and publicly popular fans.
This is on some level a form of corporate malpractice by Tim & Co.
When you have Federico Vittici of all people calling you out, you are really in new (and wrong) territory
Apple are finding ways to make enemies of their most voracious and publicly popular fans.
This is on some level a form of corporate malpractice by Tim & Co.
So if eventually Apple decides to start billing for Groceries sold in app how does that work? The App Store now sells groceries, returns? What about remote math lessons, how are returns processed? How does the App Store return a eBook sold IAP if it does not even sell books? Oh I did not like the math lesson … how does the App Store processes the return … how if not for the business service actually practicing it? An, yeah, sure process the return, anything beyond that is not really the App Store doing the work.
What are devs? Devs are the people that build a software program, just that. Is that an agreement with them? Why are we even talking about devs and developer agreements? When we talk about the auto makers how do you address the business … devs? What about say health business … devs? What about teaching and coaching … devs? What is that … devs? Mechanics? Creating a video service, a dating service … is not really about being a dev but being in the learning, grocery, media, financial … whatever business.
Give to App business what is App business and to “Groceries” what is groceries business. Just that. You see Red Bull won a lot of F1 championships and it outsourced an important component, the engine to Renault (i think) … winning champs will Renault was in the middle of the grid or so. How is that even possible? Well, because the business was not about what was the best engine … was really about RACING! The businesses that can make big bucks aren’t really looking for App Store referrals, are indeed looking at way to refer to the App Store.
PS: Look I’m mean no disrespect to developers, I’m a developer myself. But to think that developing a business is just about devs … is such a reduction of reality that it becomes surreal.
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Well, all I ever developed on my own was a few apps for use by farmers to help manage their crops, and an app for the airport in the city I live in. So I guess i'm good then?
Not true, we can compare this to what a physical store would charge for similar goods/services where possible.
And stores generally take a bigger cut.
At the expense of user/hardware/software security. You don't get that for free. There is a cost to making these changes.
Yet Apple’s IAP doesn’t apply to non-digital goods or to things purchased in the browser.
Don't give Tim any ideas!
Soon he'll expect a cut of a car I sell with the AutoTrader App
Well boohoo. I am on the side of Apple on this one. They own this platform and own everything that has to do with an iPhone, iPad, iWatch, iCar, iLife.
You want options and apple offers only one? Well cry me a river. It's now about who is greedier than who. Both are greedy but I'm gonna have to side with the greedy Tim Crook here. You can go ahead and build your own platform. Dutch govt wants a say then so be it. I wished apple would make it 10x harder for these people. Bite the hand the feeds you is the saying here.
I buy in-app purchases under a family plan shared with kids. It's so easy for me to just have them click and buy and ask for permission. I don't need any other method to pay. And don't side load, please. I didn't buy a closed system so that you can side load your dumb into my devices.
You want options and apple offers only one? Well cry me a river. It's now about who is greedier than who. Both are greedy but I'm gonna have to side with the greedy Tim Crook here. You can go ahead and build your own platform. Dutch govt wants a say then so be it. I wished apple would make it 10x harder for these people. Bite the hand the feeds you is the saying here.
I buy in-app purchases under a family plan shared with kids. It's so easy for me to just have them click and buy and ask for permission. I don't need any other method to pay. And don't side load, please. I didn't buy a closed system so that you can side load your dumb into my devices.
3% is roughly the cost of dealing with the credit card companies. Where did you get the idea that the 30% commission was instead just a credit card processing fee? I don’t see any “admission” here.
That’s exactly what he’s saying
(At least that is how I understood it)
The larger problem when discussing this is that Apple doesn’t break down anything else
I suspect it wouldn’t help their case(s) to do so anyhow…
They are RAKING it in with the current arrangement
Probably not. Apple would rather you use Apple TV/iTunes rather than Netflix/Amazon. Apple would rather you use Apple Maps instead of Google Maps. Apple would rather you use iWork rather Office. There is absolutely no incentive for Apple to fight to keep these apps available for iPhone users.
There is, however, a huge incentive for Amazon/Google/Facebook etc to not list their App on the App Store. By avoiding that App Store they can add any data mining/location tracking/advertising malware they want into their apps. Even if say what Amazon/Google/Facebook collect with their apps is no worse that what Apple collects, you still have more companies with your private information, which is never a good thing.
As an iPhone user I see zero advantage to me by allowing side-loading of apps. I see the advantage for Google or Facebook, but I don’t see how that helps me. I know people often quote the potential for lower prices - but that never materializes. The cost to use Amazon Prime is the same on both Android and iOS for example.
May I ask what advantages do you see? How will my life or user experience be improved by Apple being forced to allow side loading in iOS?