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A server without all these services seem pretty useless to me. One could still install alternative software on the Terminal but then why not simply use a Linux distribution.

Are the features for the "management of computers, devices, and storage on your network" really useful on macOS Server?

Certainly not for $30.99.

Begin the third party solution countdown......



3) Time machine - would a regular mac work as the time machine server?

Any hard drive accessible on your network can be used for Time Machine. macOS server isn't a requirement.


These are very sad times for macOS ... yet what can we expect under Federighi?
These are not the days of Serlet, Jobs, and Forstall (Tevanian too) who truly believed a MACH based Unix was the way to better computing, networking, etc.

Seems when they all left or ousted that so too was the true OSX ... the renaming to macOS was backwards that all the iphoners in the crowd cheered about cause well macOS is dead. No major updates to features other than just making the mom, father, teenager happy with basic computing. Kill macOS and then the iPad + iOS can TRULY REPLACE YOUR COMPUTER. That's been Apple's plan all along.

macOS Server doesn't align with their plans to merge iOS and macOS in a way completely dependent on cloud based services, so it has to go.
 
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Makes sense. There's better free options for all those features, and Apple even admits it.

Also, Apple can put those software engineers to work on the core OS and tighten it up.
 
Makes sense. There's better free options for all those features, and Apple even admits it.
Nope. And repeating this point of view doesn’t make it more appropriate. They most probably do not want some of us to self host certain services as everything should be iclouded in their eyes.

Also, Apple can put those software engineers to work on the core OS and tighten it up.
Different subject, ain’t it?
 
While I use Apple server offerings, they were pretty lame and probably not really updated since 2010. But that means that I no longer have a need for any Mac mini's. The two I have will move to linux. Goodby Apple.
 
I bought my current Mac Mini specifically for Server. While they may not make much money on the software, they are definitely going to take a hit on the hardware side. I was planning on updating my mini soon. Now I won’t bother and will likely buy an Intel NUC to run services on.
 
This also makes me wonder how long users will have access to the console. Will Apple now work to block users from the underpinnings that macOS runs on? I was surprised how much of the levers in the Mach kernel were there but not working. Granted I was trying to do things in a limited task, but it was interesting how ineffective it was, and how, when I called Apple, was told by an engineer that 'not many people that know how and why that works are still here'.:(Sad...

A brain drain has happened at Apple over the decades. Maybe this is just an admission that they don't support their heritage any longer, the 'software behind the curtain'. *shrug*


Could you imagine if they lock out shell access and the “under pinnings” to all Macs other then the iMac Pro and the future Mac Pro? It would give those new customized security chips something else to do.
 
Oh this is ridiculous!

Bang goes my mac mini based web server and now I have to invest a fortune in other hardware so I can run Windows Server which I don't want to do. Does Apple *WANT* to alienate its professional users?

Don't spread mis-information. The Server version of macOS was always a weird animal. Much of what it did could be done with a regular Mac already. It just packaged up that into a ready-to-go distribution.

As a web developer, I've installed a ton of "server software" on my ordinary Mac to serve websites, databases, and DNS. Never have I *needed* a special version of macOS, and nor do you. You surely do not need Windows server!
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Nope.


False again – as written before.

Actually not false. Do your research into MacPorts and Homebrew.
 
As a novice server admin I appreciated the interface of the server app. Is there a simple Linux setup for a guy like me to setup filesharing and time machine backups? I could handle something like the Synology software, but like to use my own hardware.
 
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Ah, so this is how they are going to improve software quality on the Mac - just get rid of all the features, then you have nothing to support ;)
 
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I bought my current Mac Mini specifically for Server. While they may not make much money on the software, they are definitely going to take a hit on the hardware side. I was planning on updating my mini soon. Now I won’t bother and will likely buy an Intel NUC to run services on.
The hit on the hardware side might have already happened as it does not seem to trouble them at all to confront their customers with solutions those never wanted (like the Mac Pro). Apart from Apple I never saw such a behavior anywhere else having success. Apple most certainly is a company shifting away from its past to something less complicated and more profitable for its administrators and investors and something less useful and affordable for its traditional users. They finance this with products for the mass market (like the iPhone) so that the impact is not immediate or even totally invisible.

Unfortunately, in this case as in some other cases beforehand functionality is lost for some, comfort for others. It remains a secret to me, however, why there are always so many users being cheerful about something that disappears on the functional level only because they do not seem to use or understand it. Yes, some parts of macOS Server can be replaced by open source software, some not. No, this is not the end of the world but yes, this might be another sign of other things to follow dumbing down Mac hardware and/or macOS even more.
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Actually not false. Do your research into MacPorts and Homebrew.
Still false as I already mentioned several times. But explicitly again and personally for you:

You cannot replace Apple Push Notifications (APN) included in macOS Server by any Open Source solution!


But if you know about a MacPorts/Homebrew solution adding APN to CalDAV, CardDAV and Dovecot, please inform the most certainly receptive audience NOW!

Without APN and on iOS devices your e-mails are not announced in realtime, your calendar entries are not immediately visible to your co-workers and your address book entries might be accidentally changed by several users at the same time. Why is this so complicated to understand?
 
Don't spread mis-information. The Server version of macOS was always a weird animal. Much of what it did could be done with a regular Mac already. It just packaged up that into a ready-to-go distribution.

You probably do not remember OS X server (10.6.8 and earlier). No weird animal, a nicely done piece of software.

As a web developer, I've installed a ton of "server software" on my ordinary Mac to serve websites, databases, and DNS. Never have I *needed* a special version of macOS, and nor do you. You surely do not need Windows server!


Actually not false. Do your research into MacPorts and Homebrew.

The point is, you could configure many server services without having to study documentation and editing configuration files (not to mention solving updates and broken services if something changed drastically because of an update). I personally can certainly spend hours after which I can configure apache, bind, postfix, a wiki, but *I do not want to spend that time* if I can set things up much more easily (as was the case with Server - even more so with Mac OS X Server prior to Lion).
 
What are is saying is that the server app UI is going away, but the underlying apps and libs that run those services will still be there. You can still edit config files in a text editor and command line stay and stop services.. Which is bad. How can you even call it server then ? They took out file sharing controls already, and screen sharing. This is bad. Linux is much more of a pain to admin and config.


I'm not terribly surprised. I don't know anyone using these components especially as hardware likely used for these functions ages. We have 2 Mac Minis in our company right now used to cache iOS software. I really wish they'd move or allow that function on a Windows box. I'd dedicate a VM in every one of our offices for it.
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Not exactly. If you're running it now it'll remain. They are just alerting you that at some point soon it won't work on new systems. You could get an Intel Nuc and put a linux distro on it for a web server. It'd be cheaper and more powerful than a Mini.
 
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Apple has already warned that AFP is deprecated, and it is incompatible with APFS volumes.
https://developer.apple.com/library...Management/Conceptual/APFS_Guide/FAQ/FAQ.html

File sharing settings are, except for setting permissions, removed from the Server app.

Then Apple had better improve SMB networking performance when connecting to non-Mac systems. Also with things like DFS compatibility with Windows Server and searching non-Mac file shares. Apple can't have it both ways - discontinue native features and tell people to use third party servers while doing nothing to make Mac OS work better with those third party servers. Who actually thinks Microsoft and other server software companies are going to step up and make concessions to Mac users? No, they will simply say the issues are Mac OS bugs that Apple needs to fix.
[doublepost=1517339064][/doublepost]Apple should lead by example and customers should follow Apple's example. Does Apple, the maker of Macs and Mac OS, use Mac hardware and Mac OS server software in their data centers? If not, then why should their customers?
 
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This is just part of Apples long slow march to move everyone from desktop and notebook computers to iOS devices and iCloud.
 
Why?

Apple is a consumer focused company. They've long dropped their enterprise hardware offerings, and it makes sense to start deprecating server components and streamline macOS for the consumer.

You can't have it both ways. You can't praise Apple for ignoring the concerns of enterprise customers while at the same time criticize IT departments for not bending over backwards to support the 2 Macs in your company. If end users want better support for Macs in corporations, it will require cooperation from all sides, Apple included.
 
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This is very disappointing news indeed, but hardly surprising given the changes that have occurred to Server over the last few editions.

The beauty of this product was that everything could be easily managed through a single interface and didn't require a significant outlay to get up and running ($30.99 here in Australia). I've moved a few clients across over the last couple of years - mostly NFP's running File Sharing, Mail and VPN - and all have commented on how much easier and cheaper managing their IT has become.

Since this news broke last week I've already had two clients asking me NOT to upgrade their systems when the change is made so that they can keep using Server as it is now, but starting the process of planning a move to an entirely non-Apple platform.
 
Oh this is ridiculous!

Bang goes my mac mini based web server and now I have to invest a fortune in other hardware so I can run Windows Server which I don't want to do. Does Apple *WANT* to alienate its professional users?

Can you just install Windows Server on your Mac Mini?
 
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