Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Again, it’s distasteful to tell others how to spend their money. Do as I say not as I do; is a frequent refrain around these parts.

And if you disagree with the management of apple; voicing one’s displeasure as I can tell from 14 years of membership has negligible impact. Better to start a shareholder revolt.
I totally agree with you that it is very distasteful to tell other persons how to spend their money. So stop telling me that I don’t donated anything.

It’s different when a company who’s seeking the press to tell they’re donating. It’s totally different.
 
I totally agree with you that it is very distasteful to tell other persons how to spend their money. So stop telling me that I don’t donated anything.
With a username of HJM.NL it doesn’t appear likely you would have donated to the California wildfire effort. But if you did hat-tip. The easiest way would be to donate to the American Red Cross.
It’s different when a company who’s seeking the press to tell they’re donating. It’s totally different.
Let them maximize the goodwill I don’t care. A byproduct of helping toward a disastrous thing.
 
Not true!

Announce a minimum commitment level

One can always go up

Tim sure didn’t mind talking about his personal donation amounts with specificity
So you're saying that were Apple to not make a donation that there would be no comments about Apple being a trillion-dollar company so why aren't they donating to a disaster in their home state?
 
With a username of HJM.NL it doesn’t appear likely you would have donated to the California wildfire effort. But if you did hat-tip. The easiest way would be to donate to the American Red Cross.

Let them maximize the goodwill I don’t care. A byproduct of helping toward a disastrous thing.
Again you making this whole thing personal with assumptions about me. I’m not agreeing with you how Apple handles this.

It’s terrible what’s happening with the wildfires for people and nature in the area.

Don’t make this about me and my opinion of apples donation.

Thank you!
 
  • Like
Reactions: turbineseaplane
So you're saying that were Apple to not make a donation that there would be no comments about Apple being a trillion-dollar company so why aren't they donating to a disaster in their home state?
I am saying when Apple made the donations in silence and not seeking the press for it, there wouldn’t be any comments at all.

The people who are in need would get the help and you would be happy not reading opinions you won’t like.
 
  • Like
Reactions: turbineseaplane
Again you making this whole thing personal with assumptions about me. I’m not agreeing with you how Apple handles this.

It’s terrible what’s happening with the wildfires for people and nature in the area.

Don’t make this about me and my opinion of apples donation.

Thank you!
People imo do not have a right to tell others in how to spend their money. The forum is filled with “do as I say not as I do” posts.

Apple donating one cent is one cent more than they have to donate. They should be thanked as should other donors instead of criticized.
 
  • Like
Reactions: fatTribble
Back on topic, is this newsworthy? Should be a given really.

It's a shame Apple don't use their expertise in software and engineering, not to mention obscene cash reserves, to work on altruistic side projects that benefit humankind instead of just their shareholders. Imagine if some natural disaster threatened Cupertino. Anyone can throw money at the problem AFTER the event.
 
I wish people would look up how many billions Apple spends on stock buybacks to see why this sort of donation, while nice, is absolute pennies found in the couch cushions for them.

To quote a friend on the forum here… “Mice nuts”
 
With a username of HJM.NL it doesn’t appear likely you would have donated to the California wildfire effort. But if you did hat-tip. The easiest way would be to donate to the American Red Cross.
Is this topic about me how I spend my money or about the donation Apple has seeking the press for?

Why are you making this a personal discussion everytime while not coming with arguments on the topic?

I’m not projecting things or making assumptions of you so I would highly appreciate it when you do the same.

I only express my opinion that when Apple is seeking the press for donations, it’s fair when a company does so it can be criticized. It’s a democracy.

My comments are with Apple and I respond to a topic here.
 
People imo do not have a right to tell others in how to spend their money. The forum is filled with “do as I say not as I do” posts.

Apple donating one cent is one cent more than they have to donate. They should be thanked as should other donors instead of criticized.
If a corporation publicizes such a move, it is the right of everyone who reads it to offer an opinion, should they wish to do so.
 
If a corporation publicizes such a move, it is the right of everyone who reads it to offer an opinion, should they wish to do so.
I try to stay away from replies such as this however any topic posted is ripe for a reply as you noted within forum rules.

And my response is apple should be applauded and not criticized due to stock buy backs which seems to me to be off-topic.
 
And my response is apple should be applauded and not criticized due to stock buy backs which seems to me to be off-topic.

Both are discretionary spend, and should be evaluated equally

Please also note which of these spends they like to publicly advertise

There’s data to be observed there
 
  • Sad
  • Like
Reactions: I7guy and 9081094
Both are discretionary spend, and should be evaluated equally

Please also note which of these spends they like to publicly advertise

There’s data to be observed there
Apple is damned if they do and damned if they don’t. It’s a fabric of the landscape here. Apple will do as it sees fit like it or not.
 
Last edited:
Again, it’s distasteful to tell others how to spend their money. Do as I say not as I do; is a frequent refrain around these parts.

And if you disagree with the management of apple; voicing one’s displeasure as I can tell from 14 years of membership has negligible impact. Better to start a shareholder revolt.
Always learning from you friend.

had to retract my most recent post as i applaud your teachings. I fell for the negativity yet again. Thx for keeping most of us up!
 
Stop lobbying for tax cuts so you can juice your stock price with stock buybacks
honestly I think the stock buybacks are specifcally to pay the bonuses of the executives. There seems to be a correlative purchase increase year over year that reflects the increase of stock option bonuses. Tax Cuts seems to be a dividend side affect.
 
As much as we complain about Tim Cook he actually donates to charities. Steve Jobs almost never if ever did.

This post is worthy of a downvote? Wow.
Any post is worthy of a downvote. Welcome to real life, where people are allowed to disagree with you AND they are allowed to express their disagreement with you.
Several billion dollars.
It's not your decision. Apple has reporting requirements. And they actually MUST do right by the investors. By law, they must do the right thing for their investors.
Unless you give at least one cent, it’s in poor taste to spend other people’s money.
Spending other people's money without their permission is actually THEFT. Don't do that.
You prefer a multibillion shareholders buyback?
Being from NL, you don't seem to know what a share buyback is. It is a legitimate business decision, and the best investments often buy back shares.
I find it odd that Apple never says the amount of the contribution. If they are proud of it, state the amount. Cook had no difficulty in highlighting the amount of his contribution to Trumps upcoming ceremony. However, Cook only piled in a few days after Zukerberg publicized his contribution.
Eventually, it will be disclosed in Apple's corporate filings. But announcing it publicly could actually get them in trouble with the SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission).
Well said.

There’s a really big reason why they don’t say any amount…

Tim being the miser that he is doesn’t want to overcommit
You don't know if that's true or not. Reality is different than your imagination. It's a lot more likely that Apple's legal counsel has counseled on this. For all you know, this kind of thing has to follow a corporate policy and procedure.

Announcing a figure that is seen as too high; that could cause a stock crash.

Also, Apple is due to report quarterly earnings in 21 days. It's possible that an announcement of any amount right now would confuse the public and the stock market.

There are probably a hundred good reasons for not announcing an amount, either at this time or ever.
This isn’t an either or. Unless you give also, imo, you have no right to criticize apple especially when they have given and you haven’t.
Anybody can say what they believe. It's kind of rude to play "gatekeeper" and insist that somebody who just has an opinion needs to follow some form of penance or do some kind of "thing" to earn your approval for their opinion to be valid.

Now if you go after him on his failure of facts, that's different. I'll support you all day long if you can find a factual wrong thing he said, or if you can show that he's being hypocritical or encouraging a crime.
Not true!

Announce a minimum commitment level

One can always go up

Tim sure didn’t mind talking about his personal donation amounts with specificity
I've already covered this. There could be lots of reasons a company might not disclose "commitment levels". One of those reasons is that stockholders like me might not think it's fair for the company to make ANY commitment while constantly raising prices for their products and services.

As an investor, I have expectations that Apple would always do the right thing for apple, for its shareholders, and for its customers. If I disagree with donating to California relief efforts, then Apple is doing it without my consent.
What do you know. What I would really find distasteful is when Apple announces a multibillion shareholder buyback in their earnings call this januari 31, when they could have done so much more with their money in helping with this disaster.
Distasteful? You're not even from here. You probably don't even own any stock in the company. You wouldn't even have any standing to complain to the authorities about any company publicly traded on any of the US stock exchanges.
It’s different when a company who’s seeking the press to tell they’re donating. It’s totally different.
As I've said above, Apple does need to disclose. They just need to do it in the proper way and in the proper time. They are probably following their own legal team's advice on this.
That’s why they better do such things in silence and not seeking the press.
Again, what I said above. Their decision is not yours. You're mad about something, but your opinion won't change Apple's behavior.


===================
Now here's my opinion:

As a stockholder and investor, I generally prefer companies to NOT be making contributions like this. But I'm not going to get my way either, because I'm not a majority shareholder. But I can always decide to sell my shares if I am very dissatisfied.

I'm not dissatisfied. As long as Apple is following the law wherever it operates, then I'm "mostly good". As long as Apple is doing a proper budget and has categories for philanthropic giving, I'm okay with that too. Sure, I'd rather they didn't, but again; not my decision.

Well, that's it. Have a great day!
 
  • Disagree
  • Like
Reactions: mech986 and 9081094
[…]

Anybody can say what they believe. It's kind of rude to play "gatekeeper" and insist that somebody who just has an opinion needs to follow some form of penance or do some kind of "thing" to earn your approval for their opinion to be valid.

[…]
Actually in an open forum as you noted people can say what they believe. (And with MR one must post within the guidelines) The community has tools for reacting to posts to show agreement, or not.

Taking it down a level imo apple did a good thing and it boggles the negative posts. And I’m free to comment on those posts that state otherwise. Again as long as I’m posting within the rules.

And yes one can vote with their dollars by buying product, or not, or stock, or selling it. YMMV.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mech986
It’s gonna take a lot of money, and a lot of time, the damage is shocking, Pacific Palisades *was* some of the nicest real estate on Earth. Seeing the aerial views today the only thing I can think is that it looks like a nuclear bomb went off, almost total destruction, even the large grocery stores (Ralph’s, Gelsons) burned down. Never in a million years did I think the business district there was in danger from a wildfire, it’s mind boggling.

In a region known for its brown hills and brush, Pacific Palisades was a unique place that always seemed to be green due to its unique micro-climate. Yes houses and businesses can be rebuilt, unfortunately we lost a lot of irreplaceable old historical buildings and homes, and I don’t think the old trees and little forests will ever recover in today’s climate. Still don’t know the extent of the damage in Altadena but’s it’s not looking good.

I see Apple takes a lot of heat (no pun intended) over this, but where are the other companies? How about the oil companies? How much are THEY going to donate? How about the developers who constantly push homes further and further into wind prone canyons? Where are their donations?

All over the world we are losing more and more every year, and even maybe ten years from now when some of these places are rebuilt, they will still be in danger as who knows what droughts and heatwaves will be like then.

Right now tens of millions of people are breathing in the toxic air in Southern California and there’s no rain in sight, just more winds for the next week to stir all the ash up.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mech986
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.