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not really loving this. i like having a box with dvd of a piece of software to backup and help with reinstallation when i upgrade computers and more.
 
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ericinboston said:
Besides the broadband points...there's a lot to be said for sticking a cd/dvd into a drive and letting it automatically run.

There are a LOT of people out there that have no clue on a)where to download it to, b)how to unzip/unpackage it, and finally c)how to run the download.

There's also a lot to be said for buying something and having it physically on your desk forever if you ever need it again...unlike having to relocate the download, burn it to cd/dvd, etc. or of course if your computer gets nuked.

$15 software? Sure, download it. Stuff that's hundreds of bucks...I want the physical media and box for future use or proof.

As I just has a client reinstall 10.4 printer drivers 4 times on 10.5 and then pull thief hair out for days as to why it wasn't work I can't agree that keeping physical media around is a good thing. Physical media is NEVER up to date, and these days software reapply needs to be kept up to date.

I think system restore disks should be universally replaced by USB sticks and I think optical drives should be elminated from laptops or ast made an option as an alternative to a SSD 2nd internal drive.

I however don't believe apple stores are going to cease boxed software sales. I do think they'll overhaul the display space though to eliminate boxes on the shelves.
 
I've seen Costco (though not all the time) use thin Cardboard Slips that have the Bluray Cover Art on them that you buy and trade in for the real movie....this helps reduce the risk of stealing....though the manager there told me otherwise, keeping track or not filling up the cart, but really for a bluray it doesn't take much room as is.

Anyway, I can see this type of setup in stores, keep a limited supply behind the counters/back room and just have a slip out on a relatively small shelf spot of all the titles they have in store. or a way to order the box set in store for delivery to your door for FREE with purchase of more than $30 or something.

I still like CDs/DVDs/Blurays. I like being out and want a CD and listening to it on the way home in the car...either the one with a CD/Tape deck or the newer car with an iPod hookup in case I wanted to just go to iTunes...hoping they have teh music I'd want. or likewise with a DVD dropping it into teh car for the kid to watch on the way home from shopping.
 
I'm all for it, as I rather have Apple keeping track of what software I've purchased than me digging through boxes trying to find that old CD/DVD to reinstall them. The problem is, like some have stated, not everybody have access to broadband. With the trend of companies ignoring net neutrality, and bandwidth caps getting lower and lower, the prognosis is not entirely positive.
 
Just had a heart attack!!!!!!

And what if Apple loses our information :eek:

It took me logging out of the App store and going back in to get my list back.

Trying to find all the receipts would have been a night mare. and then how do I get Apple to allow me to re-download them.
 

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How so? Are there a lot of Apple Stores in those areas? If not, then this doesn't change anything for those people.

Yes, it does change things.

I live in a large city and I have a bandwidth cap. Right now I can go to one of several Apple stores in town and not use my bandwidth downloading software that currently comes on disc.

I have friends that live in rural areas an hour away who can't get broadband service. Right now they can get their Apple software directly from the store when they're in town.
 
The future is digital download. Even who is without broadband can go to an internet point and spend less than buying a retail phisical copy.

Mac App Store is easy, software updates are handy, multilicense! In few years boxed software will become a niche. This started years ago with many internet service software providers or Steam.
 
To those whining about having a dialup connection:
- This is MacRumors - stuff here isn't true until it is confirmed as actually happening
- Did you ever stop to think that maybe they can download it to a USB stick for you at the Apple Store. Go to station, log into App Store account, download software, copy to USB stick, log out of App Store account. Done.

To those whining about having slowish broadband with download caps:
- depending on where you live it may longer to drive to the Apple store than download something for several hours. If it doesn't, see dialup section above.
- Overage fees cost less than gas to drive to the Apple store.
 
I wonder if Lion will be downloadable?! I dunno, that's just not as exciting as opening the package and looking through the manuals...:D

Maybe they'd have some intro videos and PDFs instead?
 
great move. save costs on package and straight app download is awesome.


but what about people who have no internet? pbbt they need to adapt
 
And what if Apple loses our information :eek:

It took me logging out of the App store and going back in to get my list back.

How about you broke media or lost media? Apple will never lose you login data but even it happens, you should make backup in normal usage. Keep your invoices as you do with old software.
 
This is good for several reasons...

1) Macs of the fairly immediate future, I believe) won't even have a DVD drive (like the MBA)...

I think this is a preempt to no drives in the mac. It's hard to justify having physical media when your computer doesn't have the drive to play/use it. They talk of retail space but I think that's just a side benefit.

2) Get people to upgrade to Snow Leopard or Lion

Also, as been said here, this is a sure way to get people to upgrade to Snow Leopard. I would imagine that Apple will have a way to help customers who have slow connections in getting the OSX update plus the software they'd like to buy (burn to a DVD for them to take home.)

There's too many people still running Tiger and/or Leopard. I think that with every major OS revision that is sold, Apple needs to give them more and more incentive to move forward (whether it's features that's positive or limitations that are negative). People need more and more reasons to get up-to-date. And this isn't about the $29-$129 either, I don't believe. I think it's about the customer having the smoothest experience on the platform possible. This is just one more way to help that along.

Recently, I ran into a Leopard user and I asked her did she know about the Mac App store that just opened that day. She didn't, but I also found out that she was still running some version of 10.5. I explained that the $29 was well worth the upgrade and that she should do it. She was excited to find out about the cheap upgrade and the possibility of lots of great paid and Free apps that were just around the corner for her. Generally, it's not about the money. It's just people need to be educated about what's available.

3) Save money on Shipping to Apple warehouse and then to their stores

No brainer. Lots of money is spent way before a box of software is sold.

4) Save valuable retail space for bigger money makers

Again... a no brainer. Except for a few software suites, most of the space that software boxes take up is eating up space for hardware that could be sold for a lot more money.

5) Fights piracy

With the software being tied to your itunes account, this is one sure way of fighting piracy of software. Pirates don't like this, but if you're for it, don't bother with trying to being pissed at this point.

6) Buy one/run everywhere

Much better than before when your apps could only be used on 1-2 computers. This is great.

7) Never lose software again

With the software tied to you account, you can always re-download and install even if you've lost your computer. No serials, no hassle... just download and install -- free and easy.

Of course, the smart thing to do is to have it backed up to begin with, then all you need is to authorize the new computer you get by logging into your iTunes account. Back-ups, people, back-ups!

As a person with awful internet, I'll say this. My internet is terrible and capped satellite Internet (350MB limit over 4hours). But I have found options. I go into my town (pop. 5000) and go to my coffeeshop and dowload 1GB OS X updaters all the time with their free Wi-Fi. Mac users can find a way. Even us with terrible service. Many satellite services that cap users have at least one time during the day that's off-peak and you can use all you want. Is it convenient for me to have to get up at 2am-5am to download software but people in rural areas have to do what they can. I am used to this fact. I'm not happy about it, but it's another way for me to get what I need.

Also I'm sure Apple.com will still sale the physical software for a time.

There's too many benefits to this to not do it. People complaining about lack of Wi-Fi need to look around. Even most McDs have free wifi these days.
 
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How about you broke media or lost media? Apple will never lose you login data but even it happens, you should make backup in normal usage. Keep your invoices as you do with old software.

Oh, I have and use time machine. But it is just the point.. As far as broke or lost media? That occurs less often then disk failures. And I have a special drawer in a locked metal, filing cabinet with my media. Soon to get a fireproof / waterproof safe.

Looks like I am going to have to start thinking like big companies; and having multiple time machine drives and swapping them out every week or so - putting one in indestructible safes. I don't have the money for a cloud backup like carbonite.
 
Seems like a logical progression to me. I can't remember the last time I bought a CD was. iTunes killed physical media CD's, just like the App Store will kill physical media software. Progress is good.
 
I'm trying to envision people being willing to carry in their 27" iMacs under their arms to an :apple: Store -- just to download new software...

How much additional space in the Genius section would be needed to accommodate that? How much of that would be offset by shelf space recovered from getting rid of retail boxed software?

I'm not convinced this has been completely thought through.
 
I'm all for them ditching the optical drives. To the people complaining that not everyone has broadband....well true....but should that stop Apple from moving forward? I say no.

Anyways, they wouldn't completely phase it out at once.

And there are always ways to support the legacy ... Even if DVD drives are removed, they DVDs won't disappear overnight and whoever needs them can get an external harddrive (why should everyone pay for the hardware if only few need it).

Than there might be new distribution models pop up (or actually old ones) - does anybody remember those stores where you brought in your floppy, selected the software you want on one of the computers and it got copied to your floppy? The same thing could happen for software. Bring in your USB Stick or Drive, select the software you want and it's getting copied on your device.


I'm trying to envision people being willing to carry in their 27" iMacs under their arms to an :apple: Store -- just to download new software...

I don't have a problem envisioning people to carry a tiny USB stick to the store just to download some software.
 
My initial response to downloading over physical media was disagreement. I prefer to have a physical copy to know I have something. Then I realized that most of my most prized possessions (pictures of my daughters) are all digital.

Once I got my iPhone and saw how easy downloading and installation was I became a fan. I dig the Mac App store because it is easy. There are a lot of choices but I chose Apple for the ease of use and reliability in the first place. Not having to worry where software came from is a big plus.

On a waste front, digital downloads can produce less trash and reduce the costs for the software designers. Sound like a win win situation.
 
Maybe I'm just ignorant, but I don't see people not having broadband a huge problem. Exactly how many don't have it? A significant number? You'd think that when you buy a computer, the internet is a must, for anyone, all demographics, average or power user. I might get lambasted for this, but the only place where I see broadband not available in great abundance is third world countries..

Broadband is gaining users daily...
 
I wonder if this is a hint of things to come; you will only be allowed to buy software via the App Store?

I keep telling myself surely Apple wouldn't be that stupid and controlling?

Although it would result in me (and a lot of people on this board) immediately switching back to Windows, we are not 'typical' computer users. Technophobes, ditzy teenagers and people who just browse the internet and right letters may like a Mac where everything is just in an app store right there in the dock.

Still, surely not Apple, right?
 
Great Example for the Environment

More companies should do the same. Why all this packaging when you can get it all electronic. If someone doesn't have internet they shouldn't have a computer, so that's not a good enough reason to go through all the effort of selling things in boxes that go in the garbage.

Plus, the software you buy in the store is usually already outdated so you end up downloading the update anyway.
 
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