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Apple to Host 'Secretive' Vision Pro Training Event for Retail Staff

Timo_Existencia said:
He said "work" and you substitued "enterprise." Two different things.
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Hair split. How many people do you imagine would invest their own $3,500 to use this at work? For these to be viable in work places they need to be sold to EMPLOYERS, not employees. Therefore my comment regarding enterprise versus consumer markets. This product is not intended for enterprise. It’s intended for consumers.
 
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Surf Monkey said:
Nope. Businesses universally use laptops. Headsets not so much. This device is not intended to be sold into enterprise markets. It’s intended to be a consumer device.
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Business didn’t used to “universally use laptops”…until they did.

“Headsets not so much”? Yeah, because they all suck rn.

Surf Monkey said:
This device is not intended to be sold into enterprise markets. It’s intended to be a consumer device.
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How do you know?

Companies giving sales presentations to enterprise corporations for $250,000 accounts won’t shell out $3,500 (several times) for Apple Vision Pros?

(They won’t go as far as developing their own software for deals of such high $takes?)

Billion dollar realtors selling land or buildings or proposed construction projects in Abu Dhabi won’t?

Researchers and research labs won’t? Universities won’t? Medical colleges won’t?

And have you heard yet about the “gamification” of retail shopping and education already underway? It’s only being held back by the failure of present technology to meet its requirements.

visionOS offers a dramatically new immersive experience that is industry-transformative and is stratospheres above “headset” experiences currently available. Meta isn’t ditching everything under development in-house and busily copying Apple for nothing. (Google did the same with Android after it saw the first iPhone. History repeats.)

Alienware (pre-Dell) had no idea that they’d be selling a lot of their (marketed as) gaming PCs to NASA, but they did. Turned out, NASA found them more suitable to the model design and graphical simulation tasks they required.

And do you know how much money serious gamers spend between their PS5 plus their Xbox Series X, their Switch and their decked out gaming PC? (This is the same crowd that spent their CoViD stimulus checks buying “meme stocks” like GameStop and AMC.)

The top selling iPhone 15 model by unit sales is the most expensive one, the iPhone 15 Pro Max.

Apple has an idea about the “target demo” for this device, but that doesn’t mean that Apple won’t be surprised by a contingent of buyers they never anticipated.

Using history as a guide, they in all likelihood will. Desktop Publishing wasn’t all perfectly planned and anticipated, yet it became the number one driver for Mac sales (costing up to $10,000 for everything including the Apple LaserWriter — in 1980s dollars not adjusted for inflation!).

Apple puts great technology out into the marketplace and the marketplace often ends up organically determining the audience(s).

I also anticipate this product to be additive. It won’t — and wasn’t designed to — replace anything. It’s meant to introduce “spatial computing,” not an alternate universe like the dystopian “Metaverse.”

What you have, good sir, is a failure of the imagination, demonstrably imbued with a deep, fatalistic and incurable cynicism.

It’s always doom and gloom with you.
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R2DHue said:
Business didn’t used to “universally use laptops”…until they did.

“Headsets not so much”? Yeah, because they all suck rn.



How do you know?

ETC
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You raise some interesting points in your post, so I'm beginning to see the business uses. I absolutely know the medical device and drug sales people will use a tool like the AVP, since mere price is not an object for either the sales staff or the corporation. Can the devices be paired? That would be killer in that case.

I also don't think $3500 is an insurmountable barrier to consumer sales.
 
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"Upon returning to their home store, they'll deliver training and ongoing support to store team members."

Missing is any mention of higher pay for doing all this. Oh wait they have that covered too "This is a group opportunity for those who have a deep passion for demonstrating Apple products and teaching others." So that fixes that. You're not doing it for the money, it's the love.
 
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lovehateapple said:
What's wrong with having to apply for a special position? I don't see anything wrong with it. The other option would be having each store manager pick the (lucky) sales person. This way seems better to me and I think most other people would agree. You obviously didn't enjoy working for apple so it's good you don't work there anymore. I hope you're happy wherever you're working now.
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i understand a process for selection is needed, but this isn’t a position and it doesn’t come with a pay bump. it’s a training that’s going to be mandatory for all employees and it’s cheaper to pay to fly a lower pay scale employee out with the expectation that they’ll train their colleagues than paying someone what it’s worth to be a trainer. and you sell it as an amazing career opportunity when in reality it has no potential to lead to anything. it’s common practice for them and one of many shady business practices they engage in within their retail division so they can maximize their exploitation of employees. but that’s a much larger conversation that i don’t feel a need to get into here, look up cases of apple store employees suing their stores for all matter of racist and exploitative practices, there are plenty of examples. you can’t just say most people agree with you and have it be true. even if it were true, i don’t think most people know what they’re talking about.

but thank you, my new job is cool. i really like it. i genuinely hope you like your job too.
 
farmboy said:
You raise some interesting points in your post, so I'm beginning to see the business uses. I absolutely know the medical device and drug sales people will use a tool like the AVP, since mere price is not an object for either the sales staff or the corporation. Can the devices be paired? That would be killer in that case.

I also don't think $3500 is an insurmountable barrier to consumer sales.
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Yup.

And bear in mind, Apple began work on this product in 2017 (according to reports; Apple never officially said, so it might’ve been earlier), and it was slated for release in 2020 (ditto).

So that’s five or six years of development behind this thing.

The development of Apple desktop silicon processors began several years ahead of the M1’s release, and that project turned out to be a barnburner.

I surmise that a lot of things fell into place recently that really accelerated the AVP’s development, like even smaller VLSI chips with lower power requirements and recent advances in cameras and displays and batteries and power consumption.

But even if it turns out to be a commercial flop like Newton, the Newton is widely credited with bringing to life groundbreaking, influential innovations that led to the smartphone of today. It was the sine qua non of the iPhone, Android, the iPad and many features of today’s Mac (and every copycat) and other devices.

I once read that if a company in the “innovation” business doesn’t have any failures, it’s a bad sign: the company isn’t trying hard enough and has become too risk-averse. (I admire that in Nintendo.)

So, rather than dump on Apple, I applaud Tim Cook and Apple for taking this huge risk with the Apple Vision Pro. It’s been a while since Apple took a big risk (like Steve Jobs did all the time!).

People forget that Steve Jobs had his share of marketplace failures at Apple, including the “Snow” iMac, the Mac G4 Cube, the “Dalmatian” and “Flower Power” iMacs, the “lampshade” iMac G4, Xserve, “Ping”…

I’d much rather be constructive than contrarian and applaud Apple for this unprecedented product (that I’m going to buy) and for venturing into something new and different, than unceasingly trash them into the dirt (so personally, too! “Show me…on the doll…where…Apple…touched you…”)

Even if I only use it for watching films “on a 100-inch screen” and play videogames, it’ll be well worth it to me.

And, as with every Apple product I’ve ever owned, I’ll surely use it for purposes I never foresaw.
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Timo_Existencia said:
To address the actual rumor, I'm confident that Apple will have ZERO problem finding Apple Store employees who want to fly to Cupertino and be trained on the AVP.
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That’s 100% true.

I’m impersonating one right now.

(“Spaceship campus, here I come!”)
 
DeepWebinar said:
i understand a process for selection is needed, but this isn’t a position and it doesn’t come with a pay bump. it’s a training that’s going to be mandatory for all employees and it’s cheaper to pay to fly a lower pay scale employee out with the expectation that they’ll train their colleagues than paying someone what it’s worth to be a trainer. and you sell it as an amazing career opportunity when in reality it has no potential to lead to anything. it’s common practice for them and one of many shady business practices they engage in within their retail division so they can maximize their exploitation of employees. but that’s a much larger conversation that i don’t feel a need to get into here, look up cases of apple store employees suing their stores for all matter of racist and exploitative practices, there are plenty of examples. you can’t just say most people agree with you and have it be true. even if it were true, i don’t think most people know what they’re talking about.

but thank you, my new job is cool. i really like it. i genuinely hope you like your job too.
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It's too bad this site doesn't allow users to start polls. Could really lead to some interesting data if they did...
 
I would love to play with one but I don't have a good use case for one at that price. I know these devices have the ability to map the real world with lidar and have a good processor in them but is anyone going to use that tech. I hope they are holding back on feature and abilities. I also wonder if this device will have the same issue with sunlight as other VR goggles do where direct sun light will permanently burn the screen make the them almost useless. The use case for this is use the goggles set them down the sun shines on them though a window and you are out $3.5k.
 
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