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godwire?

EDIT: also know as SJwire

You heard it here first folks.
 
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I wasn't arguing against you, I though I read someone else saying that this design wasn't good because upside down it wouldn't work. I might have misread but I was supporting your statement at most.

I don't like how usb uses male/female.
 
I do not really see a big difference. It's not like one can insert USB 2.0 plug the wrong way. You try, if it does not fit you flip the plug. If one want to know the right way up front - look at the plug. For horizontal ports (all ports in laptops where it matters the most), make sure that the USB symbol is on top (or that the plastic inside th plug is on the bottom). Is this any different from, say, FW? I do not think so.

The difference is you can't insert USB by feel. You have to look not just at the cable, but inside the socket, to see which way to insert the cable. It's a dumb connector.

Despite what is written above, this is NOT the same as HDMI, for example.
 
no, most other cables are not like that.

When connectors ARE symmetric, usually it doesn't matter which way they are plugged in.

Wouldn't USB microB be a more favorable option then.
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Seems to answer all your concerns.

Add the Tx/Rx fibers in the triangles at each end.
Everyones going to a have these cables in two years anyway (mobile phone contracts plus new legislation). Plus Apple and Sony* get a tiny port that still gets them backwards compatibility with USB1/2 yet will still fit on any device from the smallest phone or camera to largest Broadcast camera or MacPro.

*Seeing as no others OEM's have been linked as strongly as these two to the project.
 
I don't like how usb uses male/female.

?? Huh? I thought that USB is rather asexual (or gay) - there's USB "A" and USB "B" - where the male "A" cable inserts into the female "A" source on the computer, and "B" where the male "B" cable inserts into the device female "B" target.

Is the idea that the cable is male on both ends too gay for you?
 
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Wouldn't USB microB be a more favorable option then.
Seems to answer all your concerns.

Add the Tx/Rx fibers in the triangles at each end.
Everyones going to a have these cables in two years anyway (mobile phone contracts plus new legislation). Plus Apple and Sony* get a tiny port that still gets them backwards compatibility with USB1/2 yet will still fit on any device from the smallest phone or camera to largest Broadcast camera or MacPro.

*Seeing as no others OEM's have been linked as strongly as these two to the project.

Sure. Even better is a connector that works no matter how you plug it in (eg the MagSafe variations).
 
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The difference is you can't insert USB by feel. You have to look not just at the cable, but inside the socket, to see which way to insert the cable. It's a dumb connector.

Despite what is written above, this is NOT the same as HDMI, for example.

For horizontal ports, there is no need to look inside it. My observation is that the orientation is always the same (probably a standard). So one can just look at the plug. And you can do it by feel - but you need to "feel" the inside of the plug.
 
For horizontal ports, there is no need to look inside it. My observation is that the orientation is always the same (probably a standard). So one can just look at the plug. And you can do it by feel - but you need to "feel" the inside of the plug.

I have a stereo cabinet with a pull out set of shelves for my home theater. Whenever a piece of equipment needs to be replaced I end up trying to get the usb plug inserted by reaching behind. Never get it right. Annoys me.
 
Is it really any worse than trying to plug in, say, ethernet, upside down? It doesn't go in, so you flip it over. Only difference is that USB will go into the hole about 1mm or so.
 
Is it really any worse than trying to plug in, say, ethernet, upside down? It doesn't go in, so you flip it over. Only difference is that USB will go into the hole about 1mm or so.

In my experience, RJ45 connectors and the like are much easier to get in the right way the first try.

In any event, I don't see why it's controversial to say that if you are going to come up with a new standard connector, it makes sense to allow the cable to go in any orientation and still work.
 
I agree that that would be nice, but USB is so ubiquitous, that a matching form-factor on the connector will give it a better chance of success.
 
no, most other cables are not like that.

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When connectors ARE symmetric, usually it doesn't matter which way they are plugged in.

Actually, while what you say is logically true, you'd be very surprised to find how people force certain connectors into slots which are obviously not meant for them. This I know from my experience working on-site tech support. Oh how I've laughed till I cried, or didn't know whether to laugh or cry...
 
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I wasn't arguing against you, I though I read someone else saying that this design wasn't good because upside down it wouldn't work. I might have misread but I was supporting your statement at most.

sorry, it looked like you were trying to disagree with what i said lol

The difference is you can't insert USB by feel. You have to look not just at the cable, but inside the socket, to see which way to insert the cable. It's a dumb connector.

Despite what is written above, this is NOT the same as HDMI, for example.

with my base unit under my desk, i have to fumble plugging in and unplugging devices without being able to see the connection, trying USB the wrong way round is hardly any effort as it doesn't even let it go in that far. FWIW i have the same issue with HDMI, easy to have the cable the wrong way round on that if you're not looking. so really moaning that you put it in the wrong way round is a really poor excuse to hate on a connection. it's a non-issue unless you're a really anal retentive person
 
?? Huh? I thought that USB is rather asexual (or gay) - there's USB "A" and USB "B" - where the male "A" cable inserts into the female "A" source on the computer, and "B" where the male "B" cable inserts into the device female "B" target.

Is the idea that the cable is male on both ends too gay for you?

I ain't prejudice on gay connectors bro. I'm just saying I don't like how on some cables (like the one's you hook to the printer) one end's boxy and the other is like a rectangle.

I think gay connectors have rights too.
 
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Axemantitan said:
Fraaaa said:
USB 3.0: people is expecting LP to emerge, no point of implementing it.

Ah, the Osborne Effect….

1. Intel demonstrate LightPeak using a Mac - odd
2. Intel slow the development of USB 3.0 as it consider not a priority
3. LightPeak is 2 to 20 times faster than USB 3.0 at has already have a 10 years development ahead
4. Apple skips USB 3.0
5. USB 3.0 get adopted only by 3rd party storage devices but no other type of devices
6. Apple is in favor of miniaturization of components on logic board in the mobile enviroment and sleek design
7. Intel doesn't include USB 3.0 nativwly on SB(not sure about it)
8. Intel states LightPeak to be ready for 2011


Is it really an Osborne effect here?
 
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To be honest, I haven't come across a situation where a device can only fit a B connector (the boxy one), and not just have an A socket.

Mini-B obviously makes sense for smaller devices, but yeah, I agree, just have A to A cables for things like printers and scanners.
 
Ipad is not getting Light Peak. If this techonology does get adopted it will be in Mac pros first, then the laptops.

With the Current ipads topping out at 64 GB, I doubt Ipad 2 will double to 128GB (I'd say that is Ipad 3), its a bit pointless putting in Light Peak to move 64GB around - a total overkill really.

It would be more logical to have a HDMI port instead so you can plug your Ipad into a TV etc and play movies.
 
I'd like to see the Mac Pro get updated.

If they put the 3.2 Ghz Hex (see https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1099606/) and Light peak standard in the base config it'd be a really good move. Light Peak would be a good excuse to have an update for a spec bump not a move to a newer generation of processors.
 
USB cables have the logo on the "up" side (or "front" side, if the USB ports are vertical). I imagine LP will do the same.

Which one is "front"? Left or Right? How should I remember? What if there's very dim light and the logo isn't carved, but painted?
 
Is it really any worse than trying to plug in, say, ethernet, upside down? It doesn't go in, so you flip it over. Only difference is that USB will go into the hole about 1mm or so.

...And you can't tell right away if it is opposite OR you're not pushing strong enough. Depending on your choice, you might damage the socket IMO.
 
I say "LightWire"

Seems a natural jump, FireWire to LightWire...

Interesting, but I think I can do one better...

In theory it should be like this.

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Golly!

That looks like we can call it ... USB 4


Afterall, its OK for the cellular phone companies to be deceiving in their "3G, 4G" labels...and so long as it is backwards supportable to USB-x, then it is merely another one of those "Draft Specification" deals.



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Wow, what are you talking about? Have you forgotten that there are a lot of audio and video professionals that use Macbook Pros, and would most definitely beneft super high fast bandwidth.

Thank You !
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