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Apple to Make All New Mac Shipments Adobe Flash-Free

I have to say I support this decision. I installed Click-to-flash on my MBP in July and I cannot remember clicking on any of the boxes once. I can assume that without flash installed, the computers would respond the same way?

My MBP doesn't miss it, maybe I should take the same treatment with my iMac.
 
Good, no Java, no Flash, Mac Store restricted (approved) apps. My only wish going forward is that Jobs restricts access to File System as in iOS. "Why do you need that?" (tm)
 
To the average end-user, this matters not.

People are going to get flash if they need it, just like those people who update flash regularly now. All it does is remove responsibility from Apple, which isn't bad in the case of that small margin of ignorant users. Anyone who thinks that this restricts choice is clearly dumb. Apple isn't making the choice for you; you're free to download and install (and update!), as you should anyways.

Same with Java, only more-so now-- we'll actually have recent releases straight from Oracle that aren't late. They will have a JVM for OSX, otherwise it defies the purpose of Java. If anyone thinks that this is bad... well, yeah.
 
Sounds very good. Let Adobe update Flash and Oracle update Java. Frees up more Mac developers inside Apple to work on Lion and iOS. No more blame for third-party software like Flash or Java for Apple.
 
Why is this a big deal? When I performed my clean install of Windows 7, it didnt have Flash on it, I had to get it myself.
 
Stella said:
A typical fan boy response - "if I don't need it or want it - then one no else should".
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LOL. I'm not known as a fan boy around here. But here are the problems with your logic.

1) strawman argument. I didn't say you shouldn't want it. I also didn't say I don't want it. But I don't want old versions pre-installed and updated on Apple's (as opposed to Adobe's) cycle.

2) false assumption. Even if Apple doesn't supply it, that doesn't stop you from getting it. Millions of people have downloaded flash, on their own. I also don't want Apple pre-installing lots of other software I don't want (or versions of software I don't want).

3) your position is akin to saying that because you like desktop wallpaper images of rotting puppy carcasses, Apple should pre-install desktop wallpaper images of rotting puppy carcasses. If I say I don't want Apple to pre-install desktop wallpaper images of rotting puppy carcasses, you would presumably object that my response is unfair because the mere fact that I don't want desktop wallpaper images of rotting puppy carcasses shouldn't affect your right to have desktop wallpaper images of rotting puppy carcasses included in the base operating system?

And if it was widely reported that Steve Jobs doesn't like wallpaper images of rotting puppy carcasses, you would accuse me of being a fanboy because of my position on wallpaper images of rotting puppy carcasses?

There isn't a bit of logic in your statement. Not one bit.
 
Makes sense

Let the user of the computer decide what third party software he will need. Everyone complains about the bloat ware installed on PCs.
Add it you need or want it. Seems like an easy solution.
Why should Apple or PC install software that only needs to updated the first time you have to use it?
 
adamw said:
Sounds very good. Let Adobe update Flash and Oracle update Java. Frees up more Mac developers inside Apple to work on Lion and iOS. No more blame for third-party software like Flash or Java for Apple.
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Also frees up Apple Support.
"Problem with Flash? Call Adobe."
 
deadkennedy said:
Good, no Java, no Flash, Mac Store restricted (approved) apps. My only wish going forward is that Jobs restricts access to File System as in iOS. "Why do you need that?" (tm)
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Well, some people would like to carry on and keep living in your floppy days.
 
Prof. said:
Apple is being a huge baby, imo. They're being immature about this whole "flash" situation. :rolleyes:
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Why? Because you have to download flash manually, just like you have to do in any other OS?
:rolleyes: This is hardly a problem or anything worth commenting on.
 
well done Steve. you screw up everything. but I can still install them by myself. so don't worry. honestly, what are you thinking? this is dumb. new (good) idea? I don't think so. that's why I don't buy mac anymore. I don't want something restriction in my life by god damn technology even though it is available. one word. stupid move.

wait a minute. is it just beginning? I mean if Apple will permanently block to install flash, java near the future, it will be huge problem until they will find alternative way. unfortunately there is no many ways to replace them. you know if they do, quicktime, and mp4 format whatever stupid apple stuff should be block on any PC. but in business, we all know that we need all of them. Apple just can't do from beginning. bad move.
 
Two Words

archurban said:
well done Steve. you screw up everything. but I can still install them by myself. so don't worry. honestly, what are you thinking? this is dumb. new (good) idea? I don't think so. that's why I don't buy mac anymore. I don't want something restriction in my life by god damn technology even though it is available. one word. stupid move.
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"Stupid move" is two words.
 
archurban said:
well done Steve. you screw up everything. but I can still install them by myself. so don't worry. honestly, what are you thinking? this is dumb. new (good) idea? I don't think so. that's why I don't buy mac anymore. I don't want something restriction in my life by god damn technology even though it is available. one word. stupid move.
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If you don't buy Macs, why the ***** are you on here?

I don't think I even need to explain to you how fallacious your logic is. I'd be wasting my time.
 
roadbloc said:
Why? Because you have to download flash manually, just like you have to do in any other OS?
:rolleyes: This is hardly a problem or anything worth commenting on.
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I'm happy about this. I'm happy about the Java decision because Apple's Java implementation has been "the suck" for some time and it's better if the presumption of support and development sticks with the actual developer. Flash goes the same way.

Just like everything these on this site, people are making a WAY bigger deal out of all of this than there is to make.
 
Good job. Even though I hate Apple in general, I still think that things like java, flash, etc. should be left up to the user to install. Linux has the issue of having all those things installed already and that sometimes causes a living hell just trying to get dependencies up correctly. Now it will be supposedly "easier" for adobe to make sure their products is up-to-date from those pesky security leaks.
 
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