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Apple to Make All New Mac Shipments Adobe Flash-Free

archurban said:
but I can still install them by myself. ....

...I don't want something restriction in my life by god damn technology even though it is available. one word. stupid move.
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Umm, that's the point. Install it yourself. I need to use Websphere for work. I can't believe Apple won't ship with the client already installed. The horror! I may have to <gasp> install it myself.

But if you'll never buy a Mac again, then this is a non-issue for you.

Then again, maybe you should get a Mac, and try using the built in spell checker.
 
Good move by Apple.

I hate having to check the flash version after updates and on new boxes. Most Flash updates are fixes to serious security holes. Since Apple's release schedules are different that Adobe's, we'd usually end up with an older Flash leaving our systems vulnerable.

If I want Flash on a machine now, I can grab the latest and greatest Flash player from Adobe with a click. This is a much better way to go.

The only 3rd party stuff Apple should be messing with are custom device drivers for specialized hardware. All of this application level stuff like Java Runtime, and Flash Runtime should be supported by the makers of the runtime.
 
This one actually makes sense. Adobe has and will develop Flash - it doesn't make sense for Apple to ship it with the OS.

The real news here is that Safari just displays a very informative (ahem) "missing plug-in" message which on clicking does nothing. So people with lesser clues will just move on or go back to Windows because most websites don't work on the Mac.
 
I think Apple will eventually win the "crusade against flash" that they have going on... But it's still to soon and flash is still too prevalent on the internet to do this.

Sure its true that you can easily download it, and yes alot of PC's dont come with flash installed. But you know there are going to be a few people who are not tech savvy that are going to think their computer is broken because it wont display a website properly, or it wont play a video for them.... Kind of goes away from the turn on and start computing simplicity that Apple preaches.
 
Auha said:
Good job. Even though I hate Apple in general, I still think that things like java, flash, etc. should be left up to the user to install. Linux has the issue of having all those things installed already and that sometimes causes a living hell just trying to get dependencies up correctly. Now it will be supposedly "easier" for adobe to make sure their products is up-to-date from those pesky security leaks.
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Am I not getting something?

Is this or isn't this a site dedicated to Mac news and rumors? People who frequent this forum do in fact care about Mac, am I not right in saying this?

Why is it then, that we have a mass of Apple dislikers now habituating this forum? You can't possibly be here, dedicated to hating, can you?
 
Apple should let the user know Flash is missing and include a link to the download. Right now it just says "Missing Plug-in". Not cool, Apple.
 
Eminemdrdre00 said:
Apple should let the user know Flash is missing and include a link to the download. Right now it just says "Missing Plug-in". Not cool, Apple.
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I think it should be pretty obvious for most people. Though it would probably be good to specify which plugin is missing.
 
Prof. said:
Apple is being a huge baby, imo. They're being immature about this whole "flash" situation. :rolleyes:
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They are protecting their product image. Face it people who don't know about computers will blame apple for the problems that flash causes. They don't care that it was flash that crashed all they see is that their apple that is supposed to not have problems just took a dump.

till' now apple has done the work to include these third party softwares from the start so that they would be available. now they are a big enough player that these other companies need to start to walk on their own with their own dev teams like they do with other platforms.
 
cmaier said:
Of course they will. Java is only useful to Oracle if it's ubiquitous. And ain't no one not going to buy a Mac because it doesn't have java, so Oracle can't sit back and let market forces solve their problem.
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What is Oracle's business model for profiting from the development of Java on the Mac, and how has Apple's move changed that?
 
archurban said:
well done Steve. you screw up everything. but I can still install them by myself. so don't worry. honestly, what are you thinking? this is dumb. new (good) idea? I don't think so. that's why I don't buy mac anymore. I don't want something restriction in my life by god damn technology even though it is available. one word. stupid move.

wait a minute. is it just beginning? I mean if Apple will permanently block to install flash, java near the future, it will be huge problem until they will find alternative way. unfortunately there is no many ways to replace them. you know if they do, quicktime, and mp4 format whatever stupid apple stuff should be block on any PC. but in business, we all know that we need all of them. Apple just can't do from beginning. bad move.
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Who or what is preventing you from installing it? How is this stupid? How is this restricting your technology? Please explain.

Hell I think this is the best move. Please do not give me stuff that may be out dated or a few versions behind. Let me the end user dictate what I want to install or not install. Wow. That sounds like a choice!!!!
 
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archurban said:
well done Steve. you screw up everything. but I can still install them by myself. so don't worry. honestly, what are you thinking? this is dumb. new (good) idea? I don't think so. that's why I don't buy mac anymore. I don't want something restriction in my life by god damn technology even though it is available. one word. stupid move.

wait a minute. is it just beginning? I mean if Apple will permanently block to install flash, java near the future, it will be huge problem until they will find alternative way. unfortunately there is no many ways to replace them. you know if they do, quicktime, and mp4 format whatever stupid apple stuff should be block on any PC. but in business, we all know that we need all of them. Apple just can't do from beginning. bad move.
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You don't even know what you are talking about. If you don't buy apple because you don't want to have to install flash yourself what os do you run? Windows requires you to do it yourself, same with Linux so I'm not sure what you are complaining about.

Are you too arrogant to actually read the article or did you just assume based on the title that apple completely blocked flash? Because that is not true at all, in fact all they've done is quit bundling it with the os, just like ms does.

Also if you hate apple so much why are you even on these boards? Just to troll?

These threads just prove people on the Internet don't know how to read. NOWHERE does it say apple blocked flash but somehow everyone has to get their panties in a bunch over it. Maybe MR and engadget should give up posting these retarded misleading article titles so these stupid fanboy arguments can end. When will people understand that if you dontvlike the way a company does something you have other options. If you want flash on your mobile, you have other options. Nobody forces you to buy apple so give it up.
 
in the ideal world, once a new mac is registered at initial startup, any and all necessary updates and such would automatically download and install. giving the user the latest of everything.
 
Salacion said:
Am I not getting something?

Is this or isn't this a site dedicated to Mac news and rumors? People who frequent this forum do in fact care about Mac, am I not right in saying this?

Why is it then, that we have a mass of Apple dislikers now habituating this forum? You can't possibly be here, dedicated to hating, can you?
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Half a million registered, and from my readings, a fair amount are haters. That said, it is getting more and more difficult for them to rationalize their hate.

Steve Jobs admitted that Apple lost the desktop war, but it appears to me that he is winning the mobile war. Lots of the haters can't deal with that.

Too bad, so sad.
 
cmaier said:
Flash. The topic of this thread. No one is taking away your right to install and run flash, just like millions of people do on their PC's, and millions more do when Adobe updates flash.
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Well, I did say in my post that its no big deal.

Its just the attitude - "if I don't need it then neither does any one else".
 
Didn't Jobs just go on a 15 minute tirade this week on how Apple was the integrator?

What? Didn't Jobs just go on a 15 minute tirade this week on how Apple was the integrator and didn't want the user to be the system's integrator?

With other devices, "the user left to figure it out. We prefer integrated so the user doesn't have to be the systems integrator."

Removing Flash seems to make it harder for first time and newbie users to use a Mac, and they have to figure out how to install the plug-in in order to make the computer run.
 
I think Apple will eventually win the "crusade against flash" that they have going on
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Adobe could win the crusade against flash by simply shipping a version of flash that doesn't repeatedly crash the browser, or suck up all CPU usage. It really is that simple.
 
Salacion said:
If you don't buy Macs, why the ***** are you on here?

I don't think I even need to explain to you how fallacious your logic is. I'd be wasting my time.
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I have macs. don't judge people by your prejudice. someone like you exactly like Apple. you like restriction, right? I have a right to post what I want to say here. you can't just talk like that. you are so unthinkable.
 
The reason for Apple removing Flash and discontinuing Java is the Mac app store, and Apple wanting to take control of online distribution (Flash games and java applets side step that).
 
I think its stupid, but at the same time its not a really big deal since we can download it online..

The problem I have is simply this, without flash we have a compromised web experience. Now in some cases this may be a good and bad thing, there are some ads that are flash based, but at the same time, when I'm surfing the web I want to get the full experience, I want to be able to play flash videos, the only downside is the ads, but otherwise millions of sites still rely on flash at the moment..

And until that changes I think Apple should continue to support Flash aswell as the web standards, I don't know why its such a big deal, especially in desktops, because there is no lag whatsoever with flash when it comes to using it on desktops or laptops.. As far as crashes are concerned I haven't had any flash crashing yet..

Also you know one thing I love about Mac OSX is the fact that I don't have to download or install extras like pdf reader or things like that.. so I don't know why Apple is doing this on the desktop side. I think most of us prefer not going to websites to download this type of stuff just to view or open a file
 
MonkeyET said:
I have to say I support this decision. I installed Click-to-flash on my MBP in July and I cannot remember clicking on any of the boxes once. I can assume that without flash installed, the computers would respond the same way?

My MBP doesn't miss it, maybe I should take the same treatment with my iMac.
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So true! The click-to-flash must be the best utility I've ever used! However, I cannot avoid clicking on it sometimes, as many sites still think that Flash can enhance their otherwise static content. Anyways, it's good to have the option to let flash run...

For those that hope they can do totally without Flash, I'm afraid they'll wait long... Many developers and companies make their living out of it :rolleyes:
 
Stella said:
Well, I did say in my post that its no big deal.

Its just the attitude - "if I don't need it then neither does any one else".
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Who's attitude? You reading into something that doesn't exist. Removing Flash from the OS is a logical decision that improves the state of flash for Adobe, Apple, Developers and User. Literally everyone benefits by Apple pulling both Java and Flash from the OS X default install.
Almost 300 million copies of Windows 7 shipped this year that didn't include flash either. This thread is full of hypocrites
 
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