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Apple to Make All New Mac Shipments Adobe Flash-Free
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This is a non issue... Nothing to see here folks...
Apple is just trying to keep the house clean.
If you need Java and Flash, then go download them. The websites will tell you what you need and where to get them if you don't have them installed.
Apple is just trying to keep the house clean.
If you need Java and Flash, then go download them. The websites will tell you what you need and where to get them if you don't have them installed.
Fine questions. I used to work at Sun, and at the time I couldn't figure out their business model for profiting from Java. All I know is that, whatever meager value Java is to Oracle, that value derives from Java's installed base. And Mac's move changes (eventually) the installed base unless Oracle steps in to fill the void.
An attitude that was nowhere in my post. Being in favor of not having an old version of flash pre-installed is not the same as saying "no one needs flash." Nowhere did I say "I don't need flash," nowhere did I say "you don't need flash," and nowhere did I say "if I don't need it, you don't need it." You're making stuff up.
it's obvious you are the same Apple fanboy who just think if someone has different opinion is not acceptable, huh? again, don't judge me. you don't know me. I have macs, have used them for 15 years. I know very well about mac, apple. requirement? I don't think you don't know what you talking as well. I don't need to tell you the whole miserable apple hisotry in the past. now, they became arrogant because fortunately market share in US has grown over 20%. then they decided to change situation? it's only in US. Apple was nothing back until 2000. windows is still dominated for world market. don't tell me what to do. it's not even 5% share for world market (mac business). they maybe change US. but can't change the world. there are more reasons why. but I don't have time to explain now. just google it. by the way, don't pretend that you know or better than anyone here. worthless.
But "normal" people won't know they need Flash, they'll just see "Missing Plug-in". Apple should at least be more specific and include a link to Adobe's Flash website.
I applaud them on this. Regardless, I always from time to time update flash on my own through Adobe's website, just because Apple does not always deliver the latest flash update when issuing an update to the their OS.
It shouldn't, my 1.4ghz celeron processor runs flash fine, of course it was a $500 Windows PC, so YMMV
Why is it Apples responsibility to promote Adobe? Apple promoting Flash is promoting a less stable browser. If a web designer requires a third party plug in, they have the responsibility to inform the user, not Apple.
It shouldn't, my 1.4ghz celeron processor runs flash fine, of course it was a $500 Windows PC, so YMMV
The Mac version of Flash supplied by Adobe is far worse then the PC version. So, yes, our mileage does vary.
That's why you so much support for flash disablers for OS X (going back well before any of Job's statements on Flash).
But "normal" people won't know they need Flash, they'll just see "Missing Plug-in". Apple should at least be more specific and include a link to Adobe's Flash website.
Its up to the web developer to do that. They can tell if you computer has flash on it, and it doesn't they can put a link to get it...
Today there is no link, but today EVERY Mac has already Java. Stop inventing issues.
The end of "it work out of the box"
Apple would say it work better now "out of the box" considering that the majority of crashes on OS X are from Flash.
Ok. How about this. I have a rack of 6 XServes running JBoss application servers. I have to make a decision about upgrading by the end of the year.
Should I get new XServes? Or switch to HP? Is that not a real issue?
Oh well, Flash is now just one more thing I'll have to download when I buy a new Mac. Not a big deal right now. If Jobs and company want to shake their fists at Adobe and try to "hurt" them by not pre-installing Flash, that's not my problem.
One of the reasons I went to an Android phone from the iPhone 4 was because I wanted the choice whether or not to install Flash. If the day ever comes that Apple makes it either impossible or too much of a hassle to install Flash on their computers (as they have on their phones), I will be searching for a new computer brand.
One of the reasons I went to an Android phone from the iPhone 4 was because I wanted the choice whether or not to install Flash. If the day ever comes that Apple makes it either impossible or too much of a hassle to install Flash on their computers (as they have on their phones), I will be searching for a new computer brand.
Contact RedHat and ask if OSX will be a supported platform in next year. If they say yes, your good to go. If not go to HP.
Well the last time Apple fell behind the current version of Flash Adobe pointed the finger. Frankly this should make Adobe happy.
1.4 Ghz struggle's Yes
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My 867 MHZ G4 screams and pleads with me to put her to rest when anything flash is run
In that case, it would seem that the MacOS port of Java is headed in the same direction as Flash. As long as Apple was accepting responsibility for Java on the Mac there was reason to believe that it was a quality product, even if it was a bit behind. In the absence of competitive pressure, profit motive, or pride of ownership what incentive does Oracle have to do a good job with MacOS Java?
The java thing worries me, though I assume oracle will announce their support of it soon. Flash on the other hand is not a big deal. I'm sure there's some political reasoning behind doing this (I.e. Steves hatred of flash), but it's easy enough to install yourself, and this helps clear up any security concerns people had about macs shipping with outdated versions of flash. I remember there was a lot of talk when snow leopard first came out and included an outdated flash plugin with critical security flaws). Flash is not an apple product, and therefore, they shouldn't need to worry about including it out of the box.
Will it be an annoyance to network administrators? Probably. Should the average consumer care? No.
Will it be an annoyance to network administrators? Probably. Should the average consumer care? No.