Ah--thanks for the clarification. But I'm still wondering: What % of new Windows machines these days do come with Java installed? Anyone know?
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Ah--thanks for the clarification. But I'm still wondering: What % of new Windows machines these days do come with Java installed? Anyone know?
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You know, I'm going to block adds "just" on this site. ALL OF THEM. That will certainly show them!!!
You know, I'm going to block adds "just" on this site. ALL OF THEM. That will certainly show them!!!
If Java is needed and it's not an easy install then the software you're trying to run is at fault. I needed to do a webex the other day and Java wasn't installed on my win7 VM. It popped up a dialog telling me I needed java and a couple okay clicks later and I'm done. I have the same thing happen when installing software from DVDs (often it's even silent in this case that java was installed). Websites should do the same thing and prompt to go get java if they are using applets.
While I can't speak for everybody, I use FlashBlock (not the same as ad-block) because under OS X, the impact of Flash objects literally cut my battery life in half and results in frequent browser hangs and crashes. What I am disabling ia a web plug-in; aka optional.
I understand that there is an implied social contract between me and the sites for me to view ads, but this is a two way street. Flash unreasonably impacts my overall system performance and stability. If a web site wants to display ads, they need to use a more stable tool. I don't feel too bad though since HTML ad are plenty common and most sites will replace the flash ads with HTML equivalents.
Good point, but doesn't solve the bandwidth problem. My applets are typically 100k; the JRE is something like 50M, if I recall correctly.
hmm aside from really awesome looking banner ads, that I always click on and get viruses, why do I need Flash?
I can live with the current state of HTML5 video but I certainly wish more sites would invest in new technology
I can live with the current state of HTML5 video but I certainly wish more sites would invest in new technology
Steve Jobs in 1997 on choice:
http://www.mac-history.net/apple-hi...ve-jobs-returns-bill-gates-appeares-on-screen
Hypocrisy, thy name is Apple. *rolls eyes*
http://www.mac-history.net/apple-hi...ve-jobs-returns-bill-gates-appeares-on-screen
Hypocrisy, thy name is Apple. *rolls eyes*
I'm not sure why you guys throwing a fit on the "install flash on your own" hp, dell and many other computer manufacturers has either an outdated flash or it's not installed all together. besides, when i get a new mac or work on a new pc, flash is never first on my list, unless it's a site i know i need.
Ah, yes, Apple GIVING you the choice to install Flash is obviously taking choice away from you.
Large and trustworthy websites do exactly that. And they provide a non-Java, non-Flash version, for those who can live with a little less comfort and need higher security.
Wow, I had to double check your user name...
Do you genuinely hate any language now that uses dot syntax for applying methods? (Because I almost do)
A typical bimbo response - "if i can't dispute what was actually said - then invent some statement to argue against."
Any such "attitude" on cmaier's part seems to have been totally manufactured by your misperception.
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Apple is being a huge baby, imo. They're being immature about this whole "flash" situation.
man someone must have really pissed off Steve at Adobe. I mean, yeah flash needs rethinking but to not have it at ALL on macs, either? come on.
<sigh> Some folks just don't have a clue. What's really "broken" here is the web. The ubiquitous use of Flash we endure today is merely the result of its ad hoc adoption by page designers to obtain cool graphic effects... and over time it became a de facto "standard" of sorts. But it's not an accepted Internet standard. And today there's much more behind Flash than just wiggly pictures to wow the viewer... it has now evolved into a sugar-coated cookie delivery system... and the most popular way of pushing DRM-protected content to multiple platforms.
Flash might never die i suppose, but it will become increasingly irrelevant. (especially for basic non-protected video, it should be replaced ASAP).
Until that day... forcing users to install it themselves will raise their awareness. Perhaps they will come to realize that Flash is not the Internet "standard" everyone seems to pretend it is.
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Quoted. For. Truth.
Users should be keeping Flash up to date anyway. By not installing it in the first place (thus forcing the user to do so), Apple is raising their awareness that Flash is a 3rd-party (private) plugin... i.e., not a part of what should be considered "normal" Internet.
This recent Microsoft Security Report says Java on Windows is ubiquitous. Last I remember seeing some report, Java was on 90%+ Windows machines.
Simply say Apple just want to phase out all these third party languages, with the success of their mobile devices, they most certainly want to converge their technologies. If they really care about Java developers, they would have spoken to Oracle to ensure that someone pick up the slack.
The thing about flash is flash has plans to move onto desktop. End of the day, Apple just didn't want anyone to touch their pie.
The thing about flash is flash has plans to move onto desktop. End of the day, Apple just didn't want anyone to touch their pie.
I wouldn't care either, except it was annoying going to the store to check out the new Air and not being able to tell the performance on Hulu or YouTube or Facebook games. I finally did get someone to install it.
FWIW, now that the Air is here I'm less tempted to get the iPad and lack of Flash is a very major reason.
has the right idea, they are moving to open standard since Mac OS X was originally released. However technology takes time to get tested, approved and sell to the audience for wide acceptance. I just fell should have included the "option" to install the flash plug-in on its mobile device (iP4, iPT, iPad) and have the end user decide. That being said, does not operate that way and including this option for the end-user would only prolong open-source languages to be accepted.This is why I believe Steve Jobs is hard set on phasing out Flash and Java, since it has way too many problem and limited resources when compared to the open-source community.
Theres a fine line between love and hate.. Both can lead to an obsession of the very same thing!
Huh? How are the situations similar?
Lol. I can't remember if I am a fanboy or not.
I spent most of my career coding c and c++, and I spent a lot of time with dots in verilog and spice, but now I prefer obj-c. I guess that means I don't like dots anymore.
I certainly can live without java altogether. And I prefer to download my Flash straight from the source (assuming I can find a link that doesn't also try and install reams of crap ware.)
At one time Apple needed to prop up MacOS as viable in the marketplace by devoting resources to Java development and even including Microsoft Internet Explorer and Flash.
This is just showing Apple's maturity and vision. MacOS and Macs are now propped up by a consumer market that enjoys Apple devices. These developments line right up with Lion's new features. Apple is creating a familiar and cohesive experience on all its hardware and Apple doesn't want to rely on third parties (IE, Flash, Java) to accomplish it.
You won't see the MacOS drop support for third party development solutions probably ever. With the Mac App Store and the larger developer pool that is getting familiar with XCode, Cocoa and Apple-flavored apps there's less and less reason to expend resources to support those third-party approaches on the platform.
This is just showing Apple's maturity and vision. MacOS and Macs are now propped up by a consumer market that enjoys Apple devices. These developments line right up with Lion's new features. Apple is creating a familiar and cohesive experience on all its hardware and Apple doesn't want to rely on third parties (IE, Flash, Java) to accomplish it.
You won't see the MacOS drop support for third party development solutions probably ever. With the Mac App Store and the larger developer pool that is getting familiar with XCode, Cocoa and Apple-flavored apps there's less and less reason to expend resources to support those third-party approaches on the platform.
Well...you sure have seen the Google AdWords bar below the thread, haven't you?
Basically you should really pay attention to it, because as the treads go on and the posts thrive off topic Google sometimes really posts funny ads. Maybe we should start a thread with screenshots about the most funny Google Ads on forum topics.
(Honestly, I swear, there once was a discussion about external drives on the MBA - and after one full page of "Just pop it in", "I don't want to plug something into my computer", "Just put the cable in - it's no big deal" - really, I saw this here - Google referenced a sex toys website.)