Even though I know the true reason why Apple is doing this, I do actually agree that it is always better and safer to have the latest version of a plugin installed. Doesn't matter if it is Flash or something else.
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Apple to Make All New Mac Shipments Adobe Flash-Free
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The reason why Apple does get rid of all third party tools all of a sudden is the introduction of the Mac App Store. All of those apps need to be able to run on the default OSX installation. You don´t expect customers to hunt down the latest Flash Version because a purchased app from the Mac App store depends on it, now do you?
About time too...
I'm absolutely convinced that flash running half a dozen flash video's on a friends macbook pro caused their motherboard to burn out. Leave a few youtube vids open and your macbook will get crazy hot
My friend was pretty tech illiterate and thought you could just 'tab-open' as many youtube clips as you wanted and that would be fine...left his macbook sat on the couch one day - came back - burnt out...
I'm absolutely convinced that flash running half a dozen flash video's on a friends macbook pro caused their motherboard to burn out. Leave a few youtube vids open and your macbook will get crazy hot
My friend was pretty tech illiterate and thought you could just 'tab-open' as many youtube clips as you wanted and that would be fine...left his macbook sat on the couch one day - came back - burnt out...
Basically, so what??
We`ll have to install it manually if we require it, just like most default windows installs.
No big deal, really can`t see the issue here tbh.
As long as it`s not "banned" from the Mac platform altogether (unlikely) there`s no problem.
We`ll have to install it manually if we require it, just like most default windows installs.
No big deal, really can`t see the issue here tbh.
As long as it`s not "banned" from the Mac platform altogether (unlikely) there`s no problem.
I agree with this position. Flash on the Mac has never been stellar to say the least.
I'd buy this if the store became the only way you could install apps on your mac. And quite frankly I think I'd stop owning Macs at that point.
Another thing to consider is that if Apple want to start pushing HTML-5 adoption (with support of H.264 as the video codec) then ensuring that all new macs support whatever they're selling out of the box and not the "crashing option" is also (imho) a smart move.
Most applications that I've met in the enterprise space that use Oracle as the DBMS (plus some application layer logic like Oracle Financials) are written in Java. I think this is partly why Oracle maintained their own loader/cache (jinitiator) up until they acquired Sun.
You are asking a particularly difficult question. To answer one has to go to Acer, Dell, etc, buy a machine from them, and see if said manufacturer will install Java for you. I haven't owned or unboxed a computer from another manufacturer (other than Apple) that came with Java but that doesn't say much.
An easier question to answer is what penetration of Java is there, for which you could check out RiaStats.com.
I actually prefer no Java because Java loads slowly and eats up system resources like crazy (I could literally hear the hard drive on my computer grinding away whenever Java is needed).
I don't think this is such a terrible move as long as OS X continues to let people download Flash.
However, I think it might have been wise to adopt some sort of button in Safari that allows you to download it if you want, and also later inform you if your version is out of date...like Firefox does.
However, I think it might have been wise to adopt some sort of button in Safari that allows you to download it if you want, and also later inform you if your version is out of date...like Firefox does.
In other words the poor design of the mba cant sustain large workloads without overheating or poor batery life. It goes both ways.
Wrong. Mac store apps aren't allowed to depend on optionally installed things like java or flash.
Well, this just says how bad MBP design is. There are tons of applications that will use CPU to the fullest. If what you say is correct, this means that MBP can not be used with any of them. What kind of a computer is it if one needs to monitor CPU utilization to avoid burning the computer?
10 years ago Apple would have paid Sun and Adobe to make their Software compatible for Mac OS X.
Now Apple just reached the 10% market share in the US with Macs and they start dropping all the Developer Software that could potentially be a competition for their own X Code in the far future.
Kinda ignorant and I hope it does not backfire since I love my MacBook Pro.
Now Apple just reached the 10% market share in the US with Macs and they start dropping all the Developer Software that could potentially be a competition for their own X Code in the far future.
Kinda ignorant and I hope it does not backfire since I love my MacBook Pro.
I disagree. Flash is particularly bad under OS X. It would be a mistake to activly encourage people to install a plugin that harms the stability of Safari and the heavily taxes laptop batteries. If a site requires Flash (or any other 3rd party plugin) the site has the responcibility of informing the user.
Actualy, until Adobe gets the Mac version of Flash up to speed, I'd like to see a warning pop up in Safari that informs the users of the consequences of installing Flash.
No flash on demo units. Sends wrong message
Ok, I am at the Apple Store now checking out the new 11" Macbook Air and I just noticed one big flaw to their reasoning. The store here hasn't installed Flash on the demo units, so any regular person who walks into the store to check out the computers won't be able to play any youtube videos since you need the admin password to install it. They will see this and be like "This thing can't even play youtube! What a piece of junk!" I think the stores need to be more proactive with this and install the plugin before putting the demo units out to prevent this. Once a person buys a computer, they are free to install it on their own.
Ok, I am at the Apple Store now checking out the new 11" Macbook Air and I just noticed one big flaw to their reasoning. The store here hasn't installed Flash on the demo units, so any regular person who walks into the store to check out the computers won't be able to play any youtube videos since you need the admin password to install it. They will see this and be like "This thing can't even play youtube! What a piece of junk!" I think the stores need to be more proactive with this and install the plugin before putting the demo units out to prevent this. Once a person buys a computer, they are free to install it on their own.
No, Flash can tax the system very hard, but the couch is likely what caused the machine to overheat. The couch material captures heat and prevents it from disipating, and depending upon how soft the couch was, he may have blocked the fans. The MBP manual actually warns users of this.
Modern processors should down clock or shutdown in high heat situations, but the MBP also had a batch of bad Nvidia GPUs that are likely to be what failed. Your friend can probably be reimbursed for the repairs (assuming he had to pay).
Am I missing something? He agrees mac app store apps can't use third party tools such as java or flash, then he gives a reason (not saying it's right or wrong) then you say wrong they can't depend on third party tools. Which is more or less what he just said, if you just took the first sentence of his post and removed "wrong" from your post it'd be the exact same thing.
No. He says:
Apple has no need to get rid of pre-installed java/flash for any reason associated with the mac app store - all apple has to say is "you can't sell apps through the mac app store if they use java or flash." (Just like Apple has done with ios). And his last sentence is moot - mac app store rules are such that no one will have to run down the latest flash version - the apps can't use flash in the first place.
Huh? Internet Explorer always came with a bundled Flash Player. But just like in OS X this has always been an old version.
Google is doing it right: Chrome automatically updates its built-in Flash Player so that it always is the latest available version. This is how it should be done -- user friendly and without an artificial restriction.