well thats not true though. 2011 models still had user replaceable batteries. And my 2012 model is not obsolete yet...
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No it's an "if Apple doesn't make/use it, you don't need it" thing.
Right. I was being ironic because people seem to liken the loss of professional products within Apple with the dropping of the "Computer" from their company name.
Man to have one of those beautiful 17' Mbps. Wow. Got a windows 17 hp 8770w here. Would love apple to start making 17" mbp again..
Weird..
The most popular laptop on my Campus is the MacBook Air yet the USB port is always neglected for Cloud, AirPlay, or email in the classrooms.
In my CS field, nobody bothers with them.
My mom's workplace has a complete absence of thumb drives yet they still run Windows 7 on their workstation PCs.
Man, I am holding dear to my MacPro 2011, 12 core. Love that machine and I hope to keep for at least few more years. I would upgrade but Apple has been really dropping the ball. They gotta give love to Macs again. They are making a big mistake ignoring the professional Mac base. That will backfire some day.
My brother got one off Craigslist for $20 a couple of years ago.
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Believe me, it's been bothering me too. I've been holding onto a 2008 Mac Pro (as my signature says). Not sure why they do it, maybe some attempt to protect profit margins? But the MBP vs rMBP issue is different. There's not much difference between them; the only slightly annoying thing on the rMBP is the lack of an ethernet port.
Computer snob: "Why are you using that obsolete machine?"
Me: "It's not obsolete. It's 'vintage'."
Me: "It's not obsolete. It's 'vintage'."
My 2011 MBP with a new SSD runs just fine.
How about us customers letting AAPL become obsolete?
How about us customers letting AAPL become obsolete?
I think we are getting to a point now where technological progress isn't advancing as fast as it used to.
Who would've liked to use a PC from 2001 back in 2006? Nobody, because they started to be unusable.
A 2011 machine with SSD and 4/8/16 GB of RAM on the other hand isn't noticeably slower during daily tasks and probably won't be for years to come.
CPUs are stagnating, GPU doesn't make a difference during average customer's activities as it was already powerful enough and higher reed/write speeds aren't useful to the normal user either.
If it wasn't for defects, weight, size, battery or simply wanting a new thing, the whole market would've huge trouble selling any new machines.
I think this is exactly right, and especially bad is it for us nerds who enjoy raw CPU performance and benchmarks. Because indeed CPUs from this year are not a lot more powerful. Maybe more power efficient, but Apple thakes that away from us every time they make the MBP thinner...
So I guess we should all brace for a new era in computers where its not as rapidly changing as it used to?
I don't know, Im on the verge of cancelling my 2016 15" MBP and waiting for the refresh, hoping that by then we will have a substantial increase in performance from intel at last... but maybe im just refusing to accept reality...
You say we shouldn't support Apple's R&D because they have money. Following that logic, your employer shouldn't pay you because you have money. But you denied and tried to twist your original statement once you realized the flawed logic you used. You tried to use random specs to support your argument, when clearly you don't understand how a computer works because you ignored the specs that actually matter.I don't know where you don't get it.
Sorry, I think you got totally lost in this conversation. My responses were and are to the "Let's support Apple" posting to which I answered
1) They have billions and thus don't need our support.
Right now after using Apple products since 1984, They will not get any of my money/support, unless I see a worthwhile product.
iPhone 7 is not it, aWatch is not it and the latest MBPs are not it. (Just for what I want)
All my other Apple stuff works and I "supported "them since 1984.
What has any of that to do with being rich (which I am not, only in experience?
I got the same machine. Still running perfectly fine after an SSD upgrade.
I was thinking of upgrading this year until I see the "Pro" price. Guess I'll just keep using it till it's obsolete in a year or two.
nothing's gonna change the fact there is inadequate cooling in that machine for that hardware.
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there's insane amounts of power to be found on the high end... the new generation E5s, especially in a dual config, are beyond belief with what they can chew through. but you're never gonna see them in a mac. Apple's emphasis now is consistent experience across all devices, and they're gonna try to pad the bottom line as much as possible by pushing out lower-speced hardware at the same price point (1.4ghz minis, core-M powered macbooks, etc) because money. they learned how to squeeze performance out of underpowered hardware for years to stay competitive and now that they have money and a customer base, they've turned that around on its head to stay complacent and make the shareholders happy. i mean look at the hordes of apologists who keep going on and on about how these new products are the best they've ever made. we'll see how many of these people are singing the same tune in 18 months when their undercooled MBPs start cooking their soldered-on solid-state drives.
Planned obsolescence, of course. Just like all the other tricks Apple is playing to suck money out of you.
The irony is: if they would offer a proper pro laptop and not only consumer grade fanboy toys, then I would be more than happy to give them my money and Schiller, Cook and Co wouldn't have to revert to obvious tricks.
As it is, i just don't see anything worthwhile in their computer line up and the MBP is way too overpriced what it is. Kind of saddens me, that a multi billion dollar company can't offer some more niche products for professionals or those who really need or at least appreciate pro grade products.
Looking at the latest computer hard-, software products coming from Cupertino, combined with statements of Schiller, I start more and more to believe that the issue is not only a lack of motivation but also a lack of competence.
So I skipped already 2-3 upgrades and keep rocking my last generation 17" MBP, with 4 TB internal storage (2 TB SSD + 2 TB HD) with 16 GByte of RAM.
And since I started to use Adobe software more and more because Apple decided to concentrate on implementations of Emoijs and bubble effects in iMessages than rather develop Photos into a worthy replacement of Aperture, bring back FCP back to pro level , etc, I could eventually just move back to Windows. Not that I am looking forward to this but I guess I am not alone with a back up plan.
The irony is: if they would offer a proper pro laptop and not only consumer grade fanboy toys, then I would be more than happy to give them my money and Schiller, Cook and Co wouldn't have to revert to obvious tricks.
As it is, i just don't see anything worthwhile in their computer line up and the MBP is way too overpriced what it is. Kind of saddens me, that a multi billion dollar company can't offer some more niche products for professionals or those who really need or at least appreciate pro grade products.
Looking at the latest computer hard-, software products coming from Cupertino, combined with statements of Schiller, I start more and more to believe that the issue is not only a lack of motivation but also a lack of competence.
So I skipped already 2-3 upgrades and keep rocking my last generation 17" MBP, with 4 TB internal storage (2 TB SSD + 2 TB HD) with 16 GByte of RAM.
And since I started to use Adobe software more and more because Apple decided to concentrate on implementations of Emoijs and bubble effects in iMessages than rather develop Photos into a worthy replacement of Aperture, bring back FCP back to pro level , etc, I could eventually just move back to Windows. Not that I am looking forward to this but I guess I am not alone with a back up plan.
Hm. I have a mid 2010 13" MBP. Earlier this year I replaced the battery, upped the RAM from 4gb to 8gb (considering going 16) and added a 500gb SSD. This thing runs the latest OS very well and is more than suitable for my needs (mostly Photoshop and word processing). Short of the GPU or MB randomly failing I will not want to replace it for another year or two. That will be close to 10 years out of this thing for an average user like me. Perhaps this is one of the reasons for apple making their computers less and less up-gradable?
Pricing some ThinkPads today as the writing is on the wall. Been using Macintoshes since 2006 and use one today, but will be going back to ThinkPads probably before the end of the year. I feel sure my 2012 Mac Pro will be next, as well as the two 2012 MacBook Pros I have with SuperDrives. I will leave Apple to the consumer and home user. I make my money using professional machines and tools, not as fashion statements.
I agree. On the latter point, I wouldn't hold my breath for a radically increased-performance MBP next refresh. Keep it or wait if you're really in no rush to buy.
The end is nigh for my late 2011 17 inch. It's done well for me with self installed 1 TB SSD and 16 GB RAM upgrades. I was waiting for the overdue redesign with upgrade money burning a hole in my pocket to finally break down and drop to a 15" notebook. Needless to say, the redesign didn't cut it for me. I hope something compelling pops up in time to replace my 17 before it is EOL'd.
I don't think it's unreasonable for a person to want more than ~5 worth of OS updates and support for a $2800 laptop or a $4000 desktop.