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Required for what? They aren't required to just use it as a laptop. Dongles are optional to the extent you want to use your legacy peripherals.

If by legacy peripherals you mean a keyboard (how are those USB-C keyboards you are using working for you? Oh, they don't exist?), wired mouse (yes they are more reliable in my settings due to interference), or ethernet (because wifi doesn't come close to gb switched ethernet in real life), or the ubiquitous thumb drive (yes they suck, but the entire world depends on them) then yes, legacy peripherals...
 
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Hey, on the bright side, it's nice to see a Mac Mini on the MacRumors homepage.

Love the MacMini...I have six of them at home, going back to the 2005 on PPC. Awesome little machines that do all the work I need...it's how I became a convert.

Wife has a late 2013 MBP...16GB, 500Gb SSD. Awesome machine.
 
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Early 2011 MBP here, SSD and 16GB RAM. Running better than it has ever run when it was new (except maybe under Snow Leopard). Even running Sierra.
 
Apple the greediest company on the planet wants you to throw away your perfectly functioning products and keep buying unnecessary new thin garbage from them

they will not fix or release parts for a more then 5 years old product - this is called EXTORTION

it reflects what the Schiller said in one of keynote, insulting people who were using 10 year old computers

I hope someone fires Cook, Schiller and the entire board asap
 
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I feel bad for the folks with 2011 MBP's - I got a longer run with my 17" 2008 MBP - only got dropped before Sierra (but, of course, it's running Sierra just fine).
Thus far, for those of us with unsupported Mac's, it hasn't been that difficult (for Penryn and newer) to keep them on the latest OS and updates. Those folks looking at official support being sunsetted....take heart - unless Apple puts a concerted effort forth to shut us out, you'll still have a workaround or three.
 
If by legacy peripherals you mean a keyboard (how are those USB-C keyboards you are using working for you? Oh, they don't exist?), wired mouse (yes they are more reliable in my settings due to interference), or ethernet (because wifi doesn't come close to gb switched ethernet in real life), or the ubiquitous thumb drive (yes they suck, but the entire world depends on them) then yes, legacy peripherals...

I agree with you, it kind of sucks that those things will be more difficult to use.

However, it is worth appeasing 1% of users by burdening 99% of users. For the majority, bluetooth keyboards and mice work just fine. Most folks don't have major interference issues with them.

If your file transfer speed needs are so huge, then you'll surely appreciate the 40gbps i/o of Thunderbolt3, which will beat your switched ethernet connection many times over. And if your file transfer speed needs are so huge, then surely you will not mind the business expense of paying for such ludicrous speed.

Thumb drives though... we do use those a lot. My company probably spends thousands of dollars annually on essentially throw-away thumb drives for one time use or for mailing someone a file in a situation where web transfer cannot be used. In those situations, I think we can learn to live with a dongle until USB-C or whatever the next great thing becomes as ubiquitous.
 
the only thing that Apple has left is MAC OS X.

That's basically it, they have NOTHING else left.

I wish some company would make an equal or better MAC OS X so we call all switch IMMEDIATELY from GREEDY Apple and use the Intel Skull Canyon or Lenovo Tiny or HP Z2 mini

These companies produce great UPDATED hardware, at a fair price, where you can easily upgrade your RAM and HD in 30 seconds.

Tim is greedy and incompetent, he should leave immediately
 
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the only thing that Apple has left is MAC OS X.

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Tim is greedy and incompetent, he should leave immediately
The Apple business model is now to only invest in things with maximum margin. They're withdrawing from putting their customers first. All about the bottom line.
Eventually, we'll all become disenchanted enough to leave them...this creates an opportunity in the market for another company to step up with an exceptional customer centric business model and cause a paradigm shift.
 
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If by legacy peripherals you mean a keyboard (how are those USB-C keyboards you are using working for you? Oh, they don't exist?), wired mouse (yes they are more reliable in my settings due to interference), or ethernet (because wifi doesn't come close to gb switched ethernet in real life), or the ubiquitous thumb drive (yes they suck, but the entire world depends on them) then yes, legacy peripherals...
  1. Bluetooth
  2. Bluetooth (A BT2.1 mouse doesn't even have much interference)
  3. Agreed
  4. Who uses thumb drives today? I have not seen one since 11th grade..and I'm now a junior in College.
 
If by legacy peripherals you mean a keyboard (how are those USB-C keyboards you are using working for you? Oh, they don't exist?), wired mouse (yes they are more reliable in my settings due to interference), or ethernet (because wifi doesn't come close to gb switched ethernet in real life), or the ubiquitous thumb drive (yes they suck, but the entire world depends on them) then yes, legacy peripherals...

It would seem "legacy" is now loosely defined as all of the things that people currently use with their computers.

We're in the unique situation where almost everything you can buy on the market is considered "legacy" while "current" has not been adopted for nearly anything. How strange.
 
If all you can see are marketing numbers... still nope.

Care to elaborate on RAM type and RAM speeds, as well as I/o read and write speeds for that SSD...? Or what about energy usage? Heat dispersion? Size of parts? Yeaaaa they're not the same. Sorry to break it to you.
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So large corporations should be exempt from common sense behavior? Just like the rich, right? It's ok to steal their money because they have a lot, yea? I'm more than confident you have more money than I do, a lot more, so I should take some, because you not need it and you're richer than me...?
I don't know where you don't get it.

Sorry, I think you got totally lost in this conversation. My responses were and are to the "Let's support Apple" posting to which I answered

1) They have billions and thus don't need our support.

Right now after using Apple products since 1984, They will not get any of my money/support, unless I see a worthwhile product.

iPhone 7 is not it, aWatch is not it and the latest MBPs are not it. (Just for what I want)

All my other Apple stuff works and I "supported "them since 1984.

What has any of that to do with being rich (which I am not, only in experience:) ?
 
This whole thing is cracking me up. I'm writing this from my Early 2011 MBP. It just had its motherboard replaced for the GPU issue (for free) earlier this year. And it is on its 3rd HDD (last two being SSDs, the 2nd of which just got too small).

I will eventually replace it with a new MBP, even though I have a new work-provided Dell laptop sitting next to it that I haven't logged into for a few days. (It contains the older Samsung 830 originally in this MBP)

I'm simply better at my job when working from a Mac, so to me it's worth it. Nearly everyone seems to be whining about the cost of a new MBP. They've always been expensive. And people have always whined about it. Yes, I would have liked to have seen more "revolution" than "evolution" in the current MBP lineup, but honestly, I haven't heard a single negative thing about the new ones from people who actually own one. But I have heard MANY surprised reactions at how much they love them.

So yeah, maybe I'm a fanboi. But it works for me, and if I get 6 years out of a $2,500 computer, ≈$450/year ain't bad for a tool I use all day every work day.

But obviously YMMV.


you're not a fanboy. you're someone who has a legitimate reason for the computer you use.

Fanboys are the people who formulate their godly opinion of <company> and it's products without knowledge to back those opinions.
 
I have an early 2011 15" MBP. I have yet to find a worthy replacement worth my money. Apple, this is a problem. I waited all this time to have the following:
  • Weak, under-powered machine
  • Dongles are required
  • Gimmicky Touchbar
  • $2,400 Starting Price
  • No Function Keys
  • 16gb RAM cap
Let's get Tim out of there. Please. Seriously.

I know right!!!! And there's no FireWire 800 on the new models!
 
I think what we creatives are going to have to do is this:
Phones/email/webcrap: Apple disposable iPhones, etc.
Brute Force Computing: Windows workstations.
 
Apple the greediest company on the planet wants you to throw away your perfectly functioning products and keep buy unnecessary new thin garbage from them

they will not fix or release parts for a more then 5 years old product - this is called EXTORTION

it reflects what the Schiller said in one of keynote, insulting people who were using 10 year old computers

I hope someone fires Cook, Schiller and the entire board asap

Yeah. Dear Schiller: My 2003 Dual Processor G5 still kicks ass. It weighs 50 lbs and runs Tiger and Pro Tools 7 with 16 channels of 24/44.1 i/o at once. Using a Firewire 400 interface. My 2005 PPC Mini with 1GB RAM and Tiger? Kicks ass.

My 2012 i7 Mini's with SSDs? They kick the ass of almost everything you make. Make something better than these w/o throttling due to overheating issues and failing mobo's and I'll buy it.
 
Apple can't maintain the legacy forever. Sorry guys. The reason MSFT stalled so hard is because they tried this and it hurt them. 5 years is plenty of support.
 
I see nothing wrong with my 2011 MBP and no reason to update. It has a quad core 2.3GHZ i7, why would I upgrade for a small performance gain?

I think that's the future now. Small increases only.....

Apple can't maintain the legacy forever. Sorry guys. The reason MSFT stalled so hard is because they tried this and it hurt them. 5 years is plenty of support.

to be fair, neither will Microsoft....
 
You assume it was pre built! LOL!

I would never buy an off the shelf windows PC... better to make one yourself in a lot of cases. You get the machine you want - no compromises.

...and will be deemed obsolescent by the OEM in a quarter of the time.
 
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Who uses thumb drives today? I have not seen one since 11th grade..and I'm now a junior in College.

I work in IT. I used a USB thumb drive when I had to drive 2 hours to a remote site to upgrade a router. The image was 400megs. Much faster to use a thumb drive and drive there (I had to be there for other reasons) than to copy it. But what do I know? I'm not in college.
 
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