Based on the date it was discontinued, not introduced. On that basis, the 13" Mid-2012 MacBook Pro won't go Vintage until 2021, since it was just discontinued this year.How does the 2011 Pro have a shorter life than the 2009 MacBook 13
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Apple to Obsolete Select 2009 to 2011 Macs at End of Year
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Yep. I have a 2012 Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon for work. Company was not able to replace a malfunctioning USB board (separate from the main logic board) because they were not able to get Lenovo to send them a replacement part. They had to give me replacement laptop (same model) from their stock.
I recently upgraded my late 2011 MBP with a 1TB SSD and my RAM to 16GB. I'll replace the battery soon.
I suppose this is why Apple has made all of their new machines non-upgradable. No money to make when my 2011 MBP is running perfectly fine.
Outside of having a non-retina display, which I really don't care about since I'm using an external monitor, I have no reason to buy a new Mac anytime soon. Apple knows this.
I suppose this is why Apple has made all of their new machines non-upgradable. No money to make when my 2011 MBP is running perfectly fine.
Outside of having a non-retina display, which I really don't care about since I'm using an external monitor, I have no reason to buy a new Mac anytime soon. Apple knows this.
I think it's a very valid point, that you get support from other companies for sometimes as long as 10 years, including Microsoft.
In two years, my late 2013 iMac with an i7, 32 GB of RAM, 4 GB video card and 1 TB solid-state drive will not be obsolete.
But they'll probably retire it anyway
In two years, my late 2013 iMac with an i7, 32 GB of RAM, 4 GB video card and 1 TB solid-state drive will not be obsolete.
But they'll probably retire it anyway
All true unfortunately. Has anyone started a petition yet to find a CEO replacement? This is really out of control now and I have already switch to Windows as this was the only choice in order for me to keep making a living. Wish I could go back to Apple, MacPro, iMac, but it might be too late. So yes, please get Tim Cook out of Apple ASAP.
I have always been a Windows user but I bought a 2009 MacBook Pro 13 because of its design and because it's still a great machine (hence Apple not putting it on the obsolete list)
I actually run Windows on it as the main OS and it's the best Windows laptop I've ever had.
I'm using a Mid 2012 13' MBP with 16gb of RAM and it still is vary capable, I hope next year they dint pull the plug on it :/
Gonna miss my 2010 and 2011 MacBook Pros
In fact I was a little disappointed by the overall 'average' speed of my 2016 Touchbar MacBook Pro vs my 2010 MacBook Pro...
In fact I was a little disappointed by the overall 'average' speed of my 2016 Touchbar MacBook Pro vs my 2010 MacBook Pro...
I wonder why the late 2011 is not on the list? Strange. I have the late 2011 and it's still running strong with a Samsung 840 Pro SSD, 16 GB Crucial RAM and MacOS Sierra. I know it's not going to last forever, but it's lasted 5 years with no GPU issues.
Incorrect. Since Apple controls the hardware and the software they can dictate when a machine will no longer get software updates. With other OSes the hardware and software are different entities - MS retired XP after what, 12 years? One can easily install the latest version of Windows (Win 10) on 10 year old hardware, no problem.
Absolutely. It's because these companies manufacture so many different models. Just keep throwing products against a wall and see what sticks. Absolutely no discipline. Their only concern is to sell the product and then after that, they couldn't care less what happens to it.
One of the few companies I loved for legacy support was Toshiba. Next-day parts through Weblord and a solid 5 year support. Then they were done recently for cooking their books, and almost overnight it's completely gone down the toilet. Hardware on indefinite backorder and nobody to complain/escalate with (iQor won't get back to you).
So really that's that. Fujitsu's legacy support is pretty good, but it's really really expensive, which sort of defeats the purpose. £90+ for a 6-cell battery on a Lifebook A512. Mainboards on the UH572 that are more expensive than the computer cost in the first place (and they have a documented issue with the SSD cache failing, which didn't have a repair program).
Boy, I could go on and on and on. Dipping your toe into the world of Wintel portables is horrible.
Out with the old. Still waiting on the new.
How does it feel rushed? They always made machines discontinued after 5 years vintage and 7 years obsolete. OS support is always supported as long as its above 10.5 or higher.
Wow, 2011 Macbook Pro is obsolete? The new 2016 Retina Macbook "Pro", is marginally faster than my 2013 Retina Macbook Pro. To think my computer is barely 2 years newer than what Apple deems "obsolete" is concerning, especially considering HW wise, it has the same RAM count, slightly slower CPU (~10%) and same amount of HD space, as a 2016 Retina Macbook "Pro".
Apple should just obsolete anything with a "Pro" label on it because anything resembling professional is long gone from Apple Inc....
I am not aware of any new features that these systems can't handle. Be aware that once you patch an installer to run and boot older systems, many new OS functions work straight out of the box on obsolete systems. Components that don't work out of the box aren't usually due to their failings, rather, Apple's deciding to not include Kernel extensions for them any longer. Thankfully people have been able to patch, or find workarounds for many of these.
Security is an issue, however they could easily pop up a lawyer screen warning users the systems are no longer supported, and recommend an upgrade.
No need for quotes and caps. 2011 feels rushed, since they had been mostly focusing on 2009 / 2010 machines up until this point, that's all.
I think it's because, previously, the machines were actually falling behind in performance. That is no longer the case to the same extent. Allow me to explain.
The top-end 2016 MBP has a multicore Geekbench score of 13294 and a single core score of 4235.
The top-end 2011 MBP has a multicore Geekbench score of 8218 and single core score of 3076.
There is a difference but not as much as there used to be. For instance, the oldest score I could find on their current benchmark chart is the 2007 MBP. It has a multicore score of 2179 and a single core score of 1285.
So in four years from mid (June) 2007 to early (Feb) 2011 (1360 days) we had a 277.15% increase in multicore and 139.38% increase in single core. From early 2011 (Feb) to late (Oct) 2016 (2072 days) we had a 61.77% increase in multicore and a 37.68% increase in single core. So over a period that was 52.35% longer, we had a roughly 77.71% drop in expected performance increases over the previous period for multicore and 72.97% drop for single core.
Hopefully I got all that math straight as I'm more of the creative type. Either way you guys can see the numbers haven't changed as dramatically from one period to the next.
There have been other advances, such as graphics capabilities, but since it's a non-retina display, I don't see that being as big of an issue aside from some Open CL specific issues. The SSDs have also gotten a lot faster, but considering we put up with HDDs for decades that barely got any faster, and Apple is still shipping their 21" iMacs with 5400rpm drives (LOL), I don't see that as an issue holding things back.
As I said in my earlier comment, we're entering this weird period of our machines not really getting much faster and yet we still need to buy new ones for some reason. It's not a problem unique to Apple and why I think Apple wants to get more into the hardware game on the Mac. The iPhone gets much faster every year because of Apple's team of engineers. The competition can't even beat the 6s with the A9 for crying out loud.
Apple should sell/use refurbished parts when they fix computers then. It would be a win/win. I buy stuff from Apple so I don't have to go to unknown third parties ("sellers on eBay") to get stuff fixed. I could stick with PCs if I didn't want Apple's customer service.
You also missed my comment that their new laptops are close to not being repairable (iFixit said that the trackpad was about the only thing you could replace). I am not the one touting how green I am at the beginning of keynotes. It is Apple that is making it an issue.
And why aren't the MBA 11" late 2010 (my wife's one) and the cMBP 13" early 2011 (my own) in that list then?
And not just 5 years. 5 years from the date they were last manufactured. Note that on the list of vintage/obsolete products, the older mid-2010 MBP is nowhere to be found. Because it was still being manufactured up until about a month ago. It could very well see support through 2020. Ditto for the iPad 2.