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Apple to Partner with O2 for iPhone UK? Orange in France?
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Two important questions: first, if O2 is Edgeless, what the hell will it use?
Secondly, my fellow Brits, will you honestly pay over £300 for theiPhone under contract? I mean on O2's website, you can choose any tariff you want with a 18 or 24 month contract and get most phones FREE. Even the LG Prada is £20, to which the
I'm just curious as to if people really will pickup on a phone here that is completely unsubsidised under a contract and that lacks 3G.
I'm convinced that the EU iPhone will be 3G, it would be such a wasted opportunity if it isn't. Remember the rumours that another manufacturing company got an order for a new iPhone for the end of the year? I think this is the EU iPhone with 3G.
And I'll pay £300 for the iPhone with contract!
Two important questions: first, if O2 is Edgeless, what the hell will it use?
Secondly, my fellow Brits, will you honestly pay over £300 for the
I'm just curious as to if people really will pickup on a phone here that is completely unsubsidised under a contract and that lacks 3G.
I'll probably get a really good free phone (P1) and sell it on eBay for approximately £250 then use that money to buy the iPhone meaning it is only £50 or so.
o2 Openzone = 3G dodge?
yeah hopefully it'll tie-in with some new data plans from o2. but may just be o2 coz they support their Openzone wifi in their plans, which'd get the iPhone 'off the hook' (sorry) with the lack of 3G or that new3G! if that's the case, it sucks, in a bad way
i'm now with orange PAYG! which i'm lovin', i top up just £10p/m and get:
FREE unlimited 3G internet 7pm-12pm everyday
600 sms
£10 of call credit
and my rarely used orange wednesdays
and now Nokia have released their Media Transfer with iTunes, iCal and iPhoto intergration it's gonna be hard to warrant jackin in my self hated N80 with a 2GB card in it at the expense of about £600
i wonder if this was actually on about the iphone?
http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/15/orange-to-offer-dsl-and-a-macbook-for-two-euros-per-day/
i'd jus like to see a decent mobi in the uk without dumb oppertor bugs in it!
yeah hopefully it'll tie-in with some new data plans from o2. but may just be o2 coz they support their Openzone wifi in their plans, which'd get the iPhone 'off the hook' (sorry) with the lack of 3G or that new3G! if that's the case, it sucks, in a bad way
i'm now with orange PAYG! which i'm lovin', i top up just £10p/m and get:
FREE unlimited 3G internet 7pm-12pm everyday
600 sms
£10 of call credit
and my rarely used orange wednesdays
and now Nokia have released their Media Transfer with iTunes, iCal and iPhoto intergration it's gonna be hard to warrant jackin in my self hated N80 with a 2GB card in it at the expense of about £600
i wonder if this was actually on about the iphone?
http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/15/orange-to-offer-dsl-and-a-macbook-for-two-euros-per-day/
i'd jus like to see a decent mobi in the uk without dumb oppertor bugs in it!
NATO is dead right. If Apple were only concerned with the number of iPhones to be sold in Europe, they would just sell unlocked iPhones throughout their retail network everywhere in Europe. There would be no need to work with designated operators in each country. However, they are interested in getting a share of call and date revenues from operators. This is the arrangement in the US and Apple wants to do the same thing in Europe, which is why they can only sign with one operator in each country, since the operators are only interested in sharing revenue if they know that offering the iPhone will bring them new customers. For the consumer, of course, it sucks, as it segments the market and makes it difficult to source the handset separately from the operator. But hey, let's not pretend that Apple is on a "consumer crusade" here. Like the operators, they are looking at the bottom line.
Yes- but you see a lot of people - like the original poster are blinded by price. So they see the cheapest as the best. IMO Vodafone is the best - not the cheapest sure - but the most reliable network, the best service etc. Hence why more businesses go with Voda than any other UK Network - by far!
damn that bottom line
customer should always come first - if it wasn't for us, there wouldn't be no bottom line
The iPhone was designed as a 3G device
In the interview with Mossberg:
Jobs said:
The second reason is more profound: they have spent and are spending a fortune to build these 3G networks, and so far there ain't a lot to do with them. People haven't voted with their pocketbooks to sign up for video on their phones. These phones aren't capable of taking advantage of it. You've used the internet on your phone, it's terrible! You get the baby internet, or the mobile internet -- people want the REAL internet on their phone. We are going to deliver that. We're going to take advantage of some of these investments in bandwidth.
That's pretty clear.
Phone companies have built 3G networks and there is no device that makes a case for using it. The iPhone was designed to.
EDGE is just the downside of the AT&T deal.
In the interview with Mossberg:
Jobs said:
The second reason is more profound: they have spent and are spending a fortune to build these 3G networks, and so far there ain't a lot to do with them. People haven't voted with their pocketbooks to sign up for video on their phones. These phones aren't capable of taking advantage of it. You've used the internet on your phone, it's terrible! You get the baby internet, or the mobile internet -- people want the REAL internet on their phone. We are going to deliver that. We're going to take advantage of some of these investments in bandwidth.
That's pretty clear.
Phone companies have built 3G networks and there is no device that makes a case for using it. The iPhone was designed to.
EDGE is just the downside of the AT&T deal.
got to agree on that, vodafone (and orange I think) are the only company that gives me anything other than 2.5g networks in my local town.
O2 has some of the worst coverage in my area, well apart from t-mobile who can only just about get a signal
I think this is very greedy of Apple and will mean the iPhone isnt the success it could be. You don't see Nokia or Sony Ericsson demanding revenue shares for phones they sell so why should Apple demand it?
Clearly its a good phone with a great deisgn. So just do what every other phone manufaturer does and sell the damn thing
They are trying to change the market - which is bold yes - but the only people to gain will be Apple and the networks. Bear in mind the network will now have an additional £200 or so profit as they are not having to subsidise a handset.
So the net result in Apple's masterplan is the consumer loses! Again!
Actually your wrong 3 have there own network hence they can give low rates for both data and voice.
and when you do drop out of 3 coverage areas you then piggy back onto O2's network. if you remember 3 was in the market 18 months before any of the other network providers even trailed there 3g services
I'm on Tesco Mobile, which uses the O2 network, which for some reason Tesco claims covers 99% of the UK population. Anyhow, from experience going all over England and Cornwall, as well as France, Germany, Belgium, Spain and I've never not had service. Obviously the network providers are different in the other countries, but the point is I've had excellent service and coverage everywhere thus far.
I think the OP was talking about in ireland - where i beleive they do piggy back off Voda network (from what i've heard)
so does no one else worry that the o2 deal may be a way to dodge 3G, by using o2/BT Openzone wifi instead?
(i'd be well anoyed if it is!)
(i'd be well anoyed if it is!)
Changed to o2 a while back and so far have been impressed, great coverage and with 800 mins and 200 texts for £35 a month, minutes roll over one month and with free Sat, Sun and Monday i usually have about 1200 mins per month and still have 2000 mins for free long weekends! Can use the damn minutes!! In fact it has replaced my home phone usage down to zero.
Will be interested, if true, to see how this pans outs. Won't find out from Apple until the day before launach I bet!
Will be interested, if true, to see how this pans outs. Won't find out from Apple until the day before launach I bet!
Just for the record 3 UK now use Orange as their backup network. It was previously O2.
Anyway, I really couldn't care less about networks. As long as the speed is right and the price isn't too crazy I'll be there. Fingers crossed for 3G
It really has to be, if it isn't edge. Surely.
I won't be annoyed, I just won't buy.
Easy.
A lot of people will do the same. I'll save some money if I don't commit to a £35+ contract and a £400 phone
I am not sure but does O2 even have 3g if so how much are there tariffs. and is there 3g network coverage the same as there 2g
ps
wap= 2g yes? which takes an age to load up a basic text page
so what constitutes 2.5g in the uk and what are the differences in speed between 2g,2.5g and 3g ?
ps
wap= 2g yes? which takes an age to load up a basic text page
so what constitutes 2.5g in the uk and what are the differences in speed between 2g,2.5g and 3g ?
Your plan in your home country has you covered. When you roam into another country you use whatever network is available that your phone supports and simply pay roaming charges, which are scheduled to be regulated and capped in all EU countries shortly. So it won't affect your ability to travel and use your phone.
However a lot of Europeans have multiple SIM cards and swap the cards depending on where they are to always pay the best rates. This would not be possible with the iPhone unless someone unlocks it. Thus, this could be a negative for those who are used to SIM swapping.
I won't be annoyed, I just won't buy.
Easy.
A lot of people will do the same. I'll save some money if I don't commit to a £35+ contract and a £400 phone
ha, true
02 have had 3G for ages now. 3G coverage is very good, i rarely go to places where it drops down to normal GSM. Currently data tariffs are very expensive in my expereince but this will go down with the iPhone release if apple works their magic like they did with at&t
As a European (brit) who's played with the iPhone, I have a couple of observations.
People were not buying this device blind. The Applestores are full of iPhones to play with. The SF store had maybe 20-30 units on display. These were not dummies, but actual phones. They are live too. You could make calls on them. Try them out. They had only blocked international dialling.
Now that is some enlightened thinking. I have never been in a Carphone Warehouse and had a chance to actually touch a real phone until I'd signed the 'effin contract. That's why phone interfaces are so crap. We don't get to see how bad they are until after we have paid up.
I tried disabling WiFi and trying Safari over Edge. It's a dramatic slow-down from WiFi, but essentially usable. Kinda ISDN speed. Certainly faster than GPRS.
I have no doubt that Euro versions will be 3G. But no one is gonna say that now because it will irritate US purchasers. NDAs will ensure the fact will not come out until the last possible moment.
C.
People were not buying this device blind. The Applestores are full of iPhones to play with. The SF store had maybe 20-30 units on display. These were not dummies, but actual phones. They are live too. You could make calls on them. Try them out. They had only blocked international dialling.
Now that is some enlightened thinking. I have never been in a Carphone Warehouse and had a chance to actually touch a real phone until I'd signed the 'effin contract. That's why phone interfaces are so crap. We don't get to see how bad they are until after we have paid up.
I tried disabling WiFi and trying Safari over Edge. It's a dramatic slow-down from WiFi, but essentially usable. Kinda ISDN speed. Certainly faster than GPRS.
I have no doubt that Euro versions will be 3G. But no one is gonna say that now because it will irritate US purchasers. NDAs will ensure the fact will not come out until the last possible moment.
C.
I wasn't sure i have never seen it advertised (o2 3g) but according to the origonal post it says that they will be carrying on 2.5g. is that gprs?
and if so that will be a major setback i don't think i would buy one. seems a little pointless to have all these features on a phone that would become a little redundant when you have blackberry and 3g.
as for somebody saying will they pay £300 for an un-subsidized phone.
People payed £299 for the Xda when it first came out(including me) but i must also confess. i no longer have a smart phone, it took too long to open webpages, to long to send email and back then data was also very expensive.
I will deffo get an iphone if it is on 3g (probably be first inline on release day)
but if it isnt i would need to give it some careful consideration.
and if so that will be a major setback i don't think i would buy one. seems a little pointless to have all these features on a phone that would become a little redundant when you have blackberry and 3g.
as for somebody saying will they pay £300 for an un-subsidized phone.
People payed £299 for the Xda when it first came out(including me) but i must also confess. i no longer have a smart phone, it took too long to open webpages, to long to send email and back then data was also very expensive.
I will deffo get an iphone if it is on 3g (probably be first inline on release day)
but if it isnt i would need to give it some careful consideration.
I'm pleased with O2 as they seem to have a far better coverage of the UK than Orange, who seem to be superb in cities but patchy once you move outside of them.
As for 3G, I have started using it recently and it does work very well. Finally it makes using your phone as a web browser, email client etc a realistic proposition.
I'd be very disappointed if it wasn't included in the iPhone over here. Is 3G much faster than GPRS in terms of data transfer rates?
As for 3G, I have started using it recently and it does work very well. Finally it makes using your phone as a web browser, email client etc a realistic proposition.
I'd be very disappointed if it wasn't included in the iPhone over here. Is 3G much faster than GPRS in terms of data transfer rates?