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dood why would u want iwork on a small screen? Creating spreadsheets?

Same reason why there's Office Mobile on WinMo phones. You at least have the option. Only seems like a logical move for Apple to include this if they are truly going to make the iPhone a productivity device.
 
Apple basically made WebOS.
- The entire design was lifted from the iPhone. From the application dock for commonly used apps, to the tab switching screen, right down to the delete icon on the dialer.
- The only native part of the software is the browser, and guess which engine they're using - that's right, Apple's own WebKit!

Palm actually contributed very little to WebOS. They didn't create the engine (the kernel, if you like), and they didn't even design it themselves. They made some hardware that could run Apple's browser, then made a web version of the iPhone. Oh, and while I'm mentioning the hardware - it looks like the Pre has a plastic screen. Didn't Apple try that, find that it scratched too easily, and decide on glass instead?

And what on Earth are you talking about Apple needing a next-gen OS? The iPhone OS is superior to any other mobile OS today IMO. It's quick and easy and creative and intuitive in use. It redefined smartphones and nobody's quite caught up. I can't think of a single mobile OS I'd rather have on my device.
And Apple started WebKit with code from the KHTML linux project, so your argument is invalid.
 
We were hyping the iPhone 6 months before it came out. The Pre is within 3 months of launch and there have been loads of test units that have been reviewed by gadget blogs all over the internet. I understand you were just trying to be a smart***, but it wasn't clever or substantial.

Really wasn't trying to be clever or substantial. akula34 was saying that the list of features that soundsgoodtome has listed could already be found in the Pre even though the Pre hasn't launched yet. So it's full feature set has yet to be determined. But I guess you missed the point.
 
A friend of friend that i will name it mr. A to not violatr his nda policy, told me that iphone os 3 will be called "mobile os x"

This would be an odd move considering Steve stated before that this in NOT a mobile version of OS X it is FULL OS X with a different interface. And they made it clear last year that it was OS X Mac and OS X iPhone.
 
Really wasn't trying to be clever or substantial. akula34 was saying that the list of features that soundsgoodtome has listed could already be found in the Pre even though the Pre hasn't launched yet. So it's full feature set has yet to be determined. But I guess you missed the point.

I apologize, I didn't see the context.
 
dood why would u want iwork on a small screen? Creating spreadsheets?


Maybe creating them, but if you had some set up you'd like to add data to on the move, like a budget tracker (so you don't have to sync app data to iWork data) then iWork on the phone would be very useful.
 
Does anyone remember a few months back, apple filed that patent about the new "locked screen"?

If they implement push notifactions, obv there are going to be more notifications, so the "locked screen" would start to get crammped, i.e. with text messages, missed calls, voice messages, IM's etc.

If I remember rightly, the plan was to give the "locked screen" some sort interactivity, so you can select on of the notifications and go straight to that app, i.e. an IM, text etc. obv after unlocking it.

That could be part of the update to the OS, that'd be pretty major and warrant the 3.0 status (along with push).

Just a thought

Yes. I do remember and I actually hope something along these lines is included. It would be so nice to have the notifications on the lock screen. I'm imagining it to be something kind of like what we've seen on JB iPhones except a more polished Apple-esque look. :)

What about home screen design? Do you think that layout/look will stay the same? I think it may be time for them to refresh it with a similar look but enough difference to make it look 'spiffy.'
 
Same as last time or did I miss something?






Everyone keeps calling it the 4G which pisses me off for some reason, it really shouldn't. I think iPhone 3 makes sense, but they won't do that because it will get confused with the iPhone 3G. I'm thinking they will give it a specific name or iPhone 3g 2

Well, whatever! Looks like I will need to update my crystal-clear sig.
 
if they're putting out a new SDK, that probably means its because there's going to be a resolution change, so this new 3.0 will most likely only work with the next iPhone.

New SDK makes me think it won't work with this iPhone
 
if they're putting out a new SDK, that probably means its because there's going to be a resolution change, so this new 3.0 will most likely only work with the next iPhone.

New SDK makes me think it won't work with this iPhone

they put out an updated SDK for almost every update...
 
I want a completely customisable home page. With the app store, people will have icons spread across multiple pages, so let us choose how many to have on the home page.

Personally I'd like to get rid of most icons and have my wallpaper there, unobstructed. A quick flick of my finger brings up my apps. The four icons at the bottom are always there for essentials, which I'd like to be able to customise more to any app.

Maybe allow ical events/new unread email/texts to appear on the homescreen too - adjustable widgets like any normal web 2.0 page.
 
fwiw, I actually work in an ER serving a very-low income/medicaid inner-city population and I see MANY G1s. It seems everyone and their mother has one - and this is in an area where T-Mobile hasn't even rolled out the 3G yet. I observed this because people have nothing better to do in an ER besides wait and talk/play on their phones. Interestingly, I have only seen a few iPhones here and there. I do find it strange seeing a patient on medicaid pull out their iPhone.

In my immediate circle of friends and colleagues, there are at least 2 dozen iPhones owners (several who hate Macs, amusingly enough) and as many openly contemplating getting an iPhone. Not only do I not know anyone who owns a G1, but I've never been asked by anyone about them nor have I heard people talking about them. They just don't exist from my perspective.

Now, I realize that, like your post, is anecdotal, but you do have to question the ongoing price slashing of the G1. That's not a good sign.
 
Yes. I do remember and I actually hope something along these lines is included. It would be so nice to have the notifications on the lock screen. I'm imagining it to be something kind of like what we've seen on JB iPhones except a more polished Apple-esque look. :)

What about home screen design? Do you think that layout/look will stay the same? I think it may be time for them to refresh it with a similar look but enough difference to make it look 'spiffy.'

Now that you mention it, I did see that a few of the jailbroken phones had changed their home screen to look like the ipod touch, with the refelctive dock. That actually looked really nice. So yes, definantly with you on that one. Can't be too diffiuclt to implement either, they already have all the required sources, so would surely only be a case of making it a menu option. Glass dock or Metal grate :)
 
I want a completely customisable home page. With the app store, people will have icons spread across multiple pages, so let us choose how many to have on the home page.

Personally I'd like to get rid of most icons and have my wallpaper there, unobstructed. A quick flick of my finger brings up my apps. The four icons at the bottom are always there for essentials, which I'd like to be able to customise more to any app.

Maybe allow ical events/new unread email/texts to appear on the homescreen too - adjustable widgets like any normal web 2.0 page.

I'm not certain I understand what you mean in your first paragraph? You want a wallpaper on the home screen and no icons? Can you not do that already, with the locked screen? And you can customize the number of icons on the home page, unless you mean get rid of the default apple ones?

I am however totally with you on the ical notifications. It would be great if you could tick a box or whatever, that allowed all of your events for that day to be displayed in the morning, surely wouldnt be too dificult to implement. But for single events, you can make them appear at on the home screen, 5mins b4, 10 mins etc. Though it is annoying having it beep at you, just to appear would be nice.

Apologies if I have misunderstood what you siad on anything.
 
This would be an odd move considering Steve stated before that this in NOT a mobile version of OS X it is FULL OS X with a different interface. And they made it clear last year that it was OS X Mac and OS X iPhone.

A rebranding to Mobile OSX would make sense if the rumored 10" device is indeed on its way...
 
This would be an odd move considering Steve stated before that this in NOT a mobile version of OS X it is FULL OS X with a different interface. And they made it clear last year that it was OS X Mac and OS X iPhone.

i don't think anyone has ever called iphone os "full os x". that would have been an outright lie. if we had "full os x" there would not be need for separate sdk's. the osx programs would run on iphone after a simple recompilation, some might need a little ui touch up to enhance the user experience on small touch display, but that's all.
 
this in NOT a mobile version of OS X it is FULL OS X with a different interface.

I'm really hoping this is not the case for 3.0. As great as the UI is, the OS is just so bloated for a mobile device. Why do you need a full-blown OS on a mobile phone; how much RAM and processing power does it use just so the iPhone looks pretty? I groan everytime I am doing nothing but using the iPod and there is a good 3 second lag switching screens from currently playing to current playlist to all playlists. Then there's the inexplicable lag in the SMS app. And you can just forget about holding the backspace key to delete text unless you want it to delete everything you've typed - or you just like to amuse yourself at guessing where the cursor will finally stop.
 
It is already here in a sense.

What was the name of that company Apple bought "xxx Semi" I think. I'm thinking that Apple may be making some muti-core ARM chips from use in phone and other tablet devices. Other devices like the one that will use those 10 ich screen Apple just ordered.)
I'm not sure iPhone is special enough to warrant a special Apple chip when there are so many optimized cell phone chips on the market already. Hard to tell honestly but iPhone needs very high performance, high volume chips that are cost controlled. Then again the current Samsung chip has an Apple part number on it.

I do belive the larger iPod devices will use that custom PA Semi chip though. I used the plural form here because I expect multiple devices in the coming year. I say iPod devices because I see that as Apples ARM based family. None of this prevents an Atom based notebook, but that will be Mac OS/X based.
Once you get more powerfull processors, that still use little power then you can have true multi tasking and you no longer need push notifacations. Although "push" is always smarter than polling.
IPhone needs more RAM, it is the devices greatest short coming.

As to push that technology will always remain valid! It is not however the solution to every problem. Multitasking of apps is still needed and important in it's own right. The point is the technologies solve two different issues.
For years I've always thought "asymetric" multi-core would be a good idea. That means one processor core is very powerfull and the second one quite small. You then power the cores up and down as best fits the demand.
Look around it is only months away and is called OpenCL. Along with other multitasking improvements you will get very similar results to what you describe here. The GPU cores and the CPU cores each accel at different problems.
I've only actually used one computer that had different kinds of cores mixed in the same box. It was a 40 year old CDC mainframe. It worked well we had 20 small 12-bit processors and 2 big number cruncher processors. Just waiting for this 1960's vintage ideas to be re-used in a cell phone.
Think about OpenCL and see if the concept isnt close.
Most people here are asking for user-facing GUI features in 3.0 but I'm guessing 3.0 will like Snow Leopard be mostly aimed at developers. With features like Grand Central and Open ML that let developers make use of asymmetric multiprocessing

It will be interesting to say the least. I can't imagine Apple coming out with a version three OS, for iPhone, and not adding a lot of user features. As good as iPhone is there are many thin spots be it current apps or missing functionality. Honestly I'm not bothered by what is missing as much as some, I'd rather see E-Mail and Safari improved significantly. And syncing of more of the existing apps.



Dave
 
I'm sure this can't be as big a deal as OS 1.0 to OS 2.0 - the iPhone completely changed between those two.

But imagine if it was! :eek:
 
if they're putting out a new SDK, that probably means its because there's going to be a resolution change, so this new 3.0 will most likely only work with the next iPhone.

New SDK makes me think it won't work with this iPhone

Resolution changes don't mean old device get ruled out.
Developers would build for the base format then would have options about how they use the extra space. If it's bigger screen they may have a bigger layout if it's a higher density then same layout but maybe smaller font options.

Developers already have two layout they can one, the other or both. What's a few more.
 
GUi Improvements, folders, better app/icon management, lock screen info
iChat Video, camera on front. iChat video over wifi. Only over wifi.
Improved camera/video
iChat push notifications finally
Multitasking
Improved SMS and Mail (NO MMS, there will never be MMS, it sucks, always has, always will)
Improved maps, turn by turn


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IPhone needs more RAM, it is the devices greatest short coming.

That is false. For a efficient mobile OS, like Symbian (s60 or UIQ), 128mb is plenty of RAM. They boot with more than double the free RAM of the iphone, available for 3rd party apps...just has an example, with the same 128mb, the n95 8Gb from nokia boots with more than 80mb of free RAM vs the iphone with around 40. And no, the n95 8gb is not slow with 3rd party apps on the background, and the battery life is way better than the iphone´s

Problem is, you (mainly americans) keep comparing the Iphone OS with crap like Windows Mobile, instead of comparing it with Symbian

In reality, the short coming is the Iphone OS itself. Make it more efficient, and the current hardware is more than capable.
 
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