Apple to Pull 'iDOS 2' DOS Emulator From App Store

[Jessica Lares]

@DeepIn2U, here was the other thing they mentioned in their explanation:

Please note that while educational apps designed to teach, develop, or allow students to test executable code may, in limited circumstances, download code, such code may not be used for other purposes and such apps must make the source code completely viewable and editable by the user.

So it's the closed nature of the files.

 

[Shirasaki]

Its dumb that one needs to buy a PC or extra android device along with their Apple gear to have a computing life without limits. Most limits are imposed by Apple and not the rest. All these modern devices are capable of so much more than Apple allows us to use them for and it will get worse after they put M1 chips in all their devices. It will be very clear how much control Apple imposes when the device will be fast enough to do just about any computing function but the user is locked out of such functionality. Golden handcuffs.

And it happens in USA: the free country of all places.

Those antitrust lawsuits are well justified imo.

 

[JCCL]

You want freedom, use GNU stuff. It's there for a reason.

or any other OS that's not iOS.

 

[ZachApple]

Schools and organizations can already do this. They just force you to download a profile - which you have to comply with in order to get access to "X"

Yes, but who signs that profile?

When organizations want to use enterprise distribution, they need to:

• Become an enterprise developer program member.
• Sign the app with their own certificate.
• Only use that app in the same organization.

This specifically prevents third-parties from developing SaaS that organizations can "just sign up for" without incurring any responsibility for its contents.

Is this system perfect? NO.
Does this eliminate all abuse? NO WAY.
Does it prevent the majority of malware? So far, yes.

 

[btrach144]

Apple being a bully again

 

[macduke]

Hah, I just got this a week ago and installed Windows 98 on my M1 iPad Pro.

I'm not joking either. It's too bad the Apple Pencil doesn't work with MS Paint.

 

[hot-gril]

Those of us who ask for sideloading, this is another big reason why.

We should be able to run software on hardware we own even if it goes against Apple's moral code.

I don't ask, I just do it.

 

[tranceme]

Those of us who ask for sideloading, this is another big reason why.

We should be able to run software on hardware we own even if it goes against Apple's moral code.

Those that ask for side loading...why not buy an Android device. Why must it be Apple. You complain about not being able to do what you want...yet, you buy an Apple device. Simply buy different hardware.

 

[hot-gril]

I agree. The suckers may stay with iOS. The rest should switch to Android which is a more flexible and secure platform.

If not being able to emulate an old PC on my phone makes me a sucker, I'm ok with that.
Oh wait, I can do that since it's JB'd, but I'm still not going to.

 

[hot-gril]

In iDOS' case, no bigger "security issue" than executing random JavaScript programs from random websites.

That's what iOS' sandboxing is supposed to take care.

No, it is a bigger issue. JS runs in a highly sandboxed environment, basically untrusted since every random site you visit is going to be executing it. iOS apps are pretty well sandboxed but still granted way more privileges than JS running in-browser. For one, running in background.

But I'm guessing the ban has more to do with the potential for piracy than anything else.

 

[hot-gril]

Those that ask for side loading...why not buy an Android device. Why must it be Apple. You complain about not being able to do what you want...yet, you buy an Apple device. Simply buy different hardware.

Because they want Apple to make devices exactly the way they want as users.

 

[subjonas]

Those of us who ask for sideloading, this is another big reason why.

We should be able to run software on hardware we own even if it goes against Apple's moral code.

You can—just jailbreak and you can load a ton of stuff outside the App Store. What you’re really asking is for Apple to make that easier for you, but they’re under zero obligation to do that. They’re free to sell whatever devices they want, and you’re free to buy it and hack it as you wish. That’s a completely fair arrangement.
“We should be able to run software on hardware we own”—yes, if you can find a way.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Its dumb that one needs to buy a PC or extra android device along with their Apple gear to have a computing life without limits. Most limits are imposed by Apple and not the rest. All these modern devices are capable of so much more than Apple allows us to use them for and it will get worse after they put M1 chips in all their devices. It will be very clear how much control Apple imposes when the device will be fast enough to do just about any computing function but the user is locked out of such functionality. Golden handcuffs.

Strange perception of a 'computer life without limits'.

Can you code ANYTHING without reference on any computer OS?
Can you/anyone make a call without an Application or a service or service provider?
- not likely at all.
Can you pull ANY kind of data file on Windows, MacOS, Linux, Unix and interchangeably of desktop OS access any said data file without any application, work around changes that would limit you?
- not likely at all.

I'm there are a LOT more limitations than you led on to believe. Moreover why do you think ONLY Apple deserves these lawsuits?

 

[Westside guy]

And this is the direction they seemingly want to take macOS as well...

 

[Shirasaki]

And this is the direction they seemingly want to take macOS as well...

Absolutely.
How about cannibalising their own traditions and culture for innovation sake and turn macOS into a glorified iOS?

 

[LawJolla]

As per the terms, that has to be done via WebKit, you can't ship a JS compiler with your App. Chorme / Firefox etc on iOS all use WebKit and just add some functionality around the edges.

You're not understanding how JS and other wrapped apps work. I'm not talking about Chrome and Firefox. I'm talking about React Native apps injecting code -- sometimes the majority of the app -- at runtime. For example, Facebook, Coinbase, Shopify, Instagram, Pinterest, Tesla, Uber Eats, Walmart, Wix, Skype... I can keep going.

 

[tf_dc]

Is there anyone still believing Aplle BS that AppSore is a carefully tended "walled garden" existing to provide the end user with the safe and best experience? It's an extortion mechanism. What they will ban next? iSH?

 

[blazerunner]

Just use Android if you want options.

LMAO at all the downvotes.

You guys willingly signed up and PAID to use Apple's walled garden. DEAL WITH IT.

 

[4743913]

All of these threads will be taking place for the Mac in the near future. You can kiss Hazel, Little Snitch, Retropie, Mame, OpenEmu, and all the Rogue Amoeba apps goodbye in the future. Apple will not stop with iOS.

 

[farewelwilliams]

Those of us who ask for sideloading, this is another big reason why.

We should be able to run software on hardware we own even if it goes against Apple's moral code.

100% disagreed.

 

[farewelwilliams]

Alternative app stores would remedy this situation. Clearly the iPhone can run emulators such as this DOS emulator, as well as many others like SNES9x, etc. There are so many potential ideas for apps that Apple would never allow in the App Store, and willing users/purchasers of those Apps. Apple is effectively restricting otherwise legal trade.

Meanwhile, while Apple claims that alternative app stores and/or side-loading would destroy iOS security, Pegasus has done that all on its own, despite the iPhone being locked down. So what is the point?

Alternate app stores won't give you access to a lot of things you take for granted as a user and as a developer. Alternate app stores is just a stupid idea.

Considering very little people actually do sideload on Android, all who are rooting for an alt app store are and will forever be in the extreme minority. Apple doesn't need to spend resources catering to this super small group. Rather have them work on more useful things that benefit the majority.

 

[farewelwilliams]

Its dumb that one needs to buy a PC or extra android device along with their Apple gear to have a computing life without limits. Most limits are imposed by Apple and not the rest. All these modern devices are capable of so much more than Apple allows us to use them for and it will get worse after they put M1 chips in all their devices. It will be very clear how much control Apple imposes when the device will be fast enough to do just about any computing function but the user is locked out of such functionality. Golden handcuffs.

As a consumer, I buy devices that I feel aren't too limiting to me.

People who buy devices that they hate need to start rethinking how they spend their money.

 

[Krizoitz]

Those of us who ask for sideloading, this is another big reason why.

We should be able to run software on hardware we own even if it goes against Apple's moral code.

So install it. Just don’t demand Apple help you. You bought the device knowing the limitations. Either you:
1. Accept them
2. Try to convince Apple to change them
3. Buy something else

 

[Krizoitz]

Alternative app stores would remedy this situation. Clearly the iPhone can run emulators such as this DOS emulator, as well as many others like SNES9x, etc. There are so many potential ideas for apps that Apple would never allow in the App Store, and willing users/purchasers of those Apps. Apple is effectively restricting otherwise legal trade.

Meanwhile, while Apple claims that alternative app stores and/or side-loading would destroy iOS security, Pegasus has done that all on its own, despite the iPhone being locked down. So what is the point?

Buying an Android device would remedy it. No one is stopping you.

 

[0924487]

Alternative app stores would remedy this situation. Clearly the iPhone can run emulators such as this DOS emulator, as well as many others like SNES9x, etc. There are so many potential ideas for apps that Apple would never allow in the App Store, and willing users/purchasers of those Apps. Apple is effectively restricting otherwise legal trade.

Meanwhile, while Apple claims that alternative app stores and/or side-loading would destroy iOS security, Pegasus has done that all on its own, despite the iPhone being locked down. So what is the point?

Because it’s the alternative to the App Store platform, just like Flash had the potential to be developed into.

A platform within a platform can strip Apple of the monopoly power over iOS app marketplace. Apple is very PTSD about this after Windows, and then, decades later, the Chinese super-apps like AliPay, WeChat, etc. Those super-apps render Apple redundant, and iOS advantages over Android irrelevant. The user experience of WeChat and all the Apps within it is same regardless of the platform.