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It is the operating system, always has been always will be.

I still can't believe Apple would wait 18 months just for a spec bump. Doesn't make sense, no matter how many rumors I read.

Beyond that it is a pretty significant hardware bump. Just the move to an A5 is significant. Further I wouldn't be surprised if that A5 move wasn't the reason for the delay. Think about it, that A5 would likely have to go through a process shrink to be viable in a phone.

In the end it makes perfect sense if you value what is important in a new phone.
 
ummmm, you start with the 4.3" kickass screen vs the old/tiny 3.5", how's that for a "difference"?

… but the 4.3" kickass screen has fewer pixels than the old/tiny 3.5"

Galaxy S II : 480 x 800 pixels, 4.3 inches (~217 ppi pixel density)

IP4: 960-by-640-pixel resolution at 326 ppi

Also, I hope they have improved the materials on the GSII, my Father-in-law has a Galaxy S and it seems to be made of the thinnest plastic know to man.
 
I still strongly think apple with be announcing an iPhone 5 with a teardrop shape and a bigger screen today... even if that's just because I want them to.

If they announce a 4s I'm not buying it.. I'll just get the 4

It also just doesn't make sense to me that they would release a new iPhone with the a5 and ios 5 and call it the iPhone 4s..
 
I still can't believe Apple would wait 18 months just for a spec bump. Doesn't make sense, no matter how many rumors I read.

Believe it! I have been pretty excited about the new iPhone release up till a day or so ago. They have gone all this time and only upgraded the processor and little else. This is as disappointing as the iPad 2. I was all set to get one until I saw they did hardly anything worthwhile to it. Oh a new processor??? Wow. After a year that should be a given.

Apple is holding out the iPhone 5 for Sprint. More exclusivity, terrific! I was hoping all that garbage was in the past. Apple makes good products but they are still a disgusting greedy corporation, and that's a losing situation for the public. Their product releases have been slowing more and more without Steve Jobs kicking everyone in their ass. I have been getting very disappointed with the product upgrades lately. Wait a year or more for a processor or GPU boost and pretty much nothing else. Where is the innovation that :apple: was so well known for. It seems they are resting too much on their laurels!!

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What the hell do you have against a bigger screen? what could possibly be a downside to being able to see things better?

Easy to answer:

With the current size of the iPhone screen, I can hold it with one hand and easily reach every point on the screen with my thumb on the same hand.

I've tried out a friend's android phone with a larger screen, and this is impossible to do. (BTW, this comparison was triggered by my friend complaining about this problem with his android phone... he noticed it first).

The screen size on the iPhone is perfect for me, and most other people too. Apple thinks about these details... most other manufacturers don't.
 
Good Lord, how sad.

18 facking months for this crap?

This actually makes me hope Android beats apple into the ground until the next iteration.
 
Some of us adults could care less about playing games we want a better phone for business.

yes and when viewing documents and spreadsheet on a larger screen it makes things alot more efficient and productive cause to less zooming and scrolling..;)
 
Easy to answer:

With the current size of the iPhone screen, I can hold it with one hand and easily reach every point on the screen with my thumb on the same hand.

I've tried out a friend's android phone with a larger screen, and this is impossible to do. (BTW, this comparison was triggered by my friend complaining about this problem with his android phone... he noticed it first).

The screen size on the iPhone is perfect for me, and most other people too. Apple thinks about these details... most other manufacturers don't.

I swear a lot of people on here must have little girl hands.
 
Don't you ever use your phone single handedly? It is a reach already to get to the navigation bar with your thumb. Make the screen any larger, and there is no reaching the one top corner or the other with your thumb. Even on the current screen I will sometimes miss when reaching that far with a thumb.

This is one reason I did not like some of the android devices.

Dude seriously its people like you who are preventing apple from upgrading the screen size. People who own smartphones for no reason. Or can't use your thumb or other coordinated functions is not our problem..... Btw how's your love life ? If u can't even use your thumb properly to slide a lock bar. The iPhone needs a bigger screen it's just to small and falling behind. Go buy a blackberry buddy sounds more like what your looking for. I am looking for a smartphone and the iPhone needs a bigger screen .......period !!!!
 
ummmm, you start with the 4.3" kickass screen vs the old/tiny 3.5", how's that for a "difference"?

That would be the lower resolution "kick ass" screen then. For definition, the GS2 screen is poor compared to the iPhone 4. Nice colours, very vibrant, but the resolution is lacking. Read the review a buyer done on here, or accept that as a UK member, I've used the GS2 extensively long before our US friends seen it in the flesh. And then there's the plastic ... oh God, the plastic.
 
Good Lord, how sad.

18 facking months for this crap?

This actually makes me hope Android beats apple into the ground until the next iteration.

might want to wait until the conference is over to start talking ****. considering nothing has even been announced yet.
 
What about the iPods? With a 7" Kindle Fire, is Apple going to still charge over $200 for an iPod Touch with a 3.5" screen? Will we see a $129 iPod Touch and the end of the iPod Classic and nano?
 
This iphone 4 is not worth a hardware upgrade, they need a redesign badly. It's already looking so dated. The screen is tiny to the point of making the web browser frustrating to use, the hardware is too fragile and it's ugly and thick.

Who gives two ***** about "GPS Features" what kind of retard will go buy a new one and fight contracts with carriers to upgrade from their current iphone 4?
 
Also, they should have released the iphone 4s 6 months ago along with the ipad 2 since all they will probably do is bump up the camera and add and a5. Did we really need to wait all this time for that. :eek:

God, I hope I'm wrong.
 
Easy to answer:

With the current size of the iPhone screen, I can hold it with one hand and easily reach every point on the screen with my thumb on the same hand.

I've tried out a friend's android phone with a larger screen, and this is impossible to do. (BTW, this comparison was triggered by my friend complaining about this problem with his android phone... he noticed it first).

The screen size on the iPhone is perfect for me, and most other people too. Apple thinks about these details... most other manufacturers don't.

for them to go from iphone1 all the way to iphone 5 with the same screen size is silly.. we are not saying to make the whole phone huge butthey can at least challenge themselves to icrease viewing area so that all the cool new features wil be easier to see and use..

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Also, they should have released the iphone 4s 6 months ago along with the ipad 2 since all they will probably do is bump up the camera and add and a5. Did we really need to wait all this time for that. :eek:

God, I hope I'm wrong.

^^^this is the best post .. but the reason they did not is cause if the profits to be made from the verizon iphone.. thats what threw everything off...
 
Can't wait to hear Tim Cook saying:

"the all new iphone "Four Ass"!

Cheers

:D the only way he will get away with launching a 4 ass is with way improved battery life, 32gb for the price of 16gb, and changing the antenna/band around the 4. The A5 and more ram are a given, 3.5" screen is almost guaranteed too...
 
Good Lord, how sad.

18 facking months for this crap?

This actually makes me hope Android beats apple into the ground until the next iteration.

No what is actually sad is how badly you seem to be taking it. It's a phone get over it. Go get an Android device, Apple isn't holding a gun to your head.
 
might want to wait until the conference is over to start talking ****. considering nothing has even been announced yet.

You may be right... But given their history of the last few product releases, I think most :apple: fans will be very underwhelmed, like many of their recent "UPGRADES" as of late.
 
So the millions of people who have been buying iPhone 4's even though they're old and outdated designs from last summer are the minority, or are the basment dwellers on here who think a phone's case is more important than the hardware and software inside in the minority?

What about the millions of people who went out and bought the iPhone 3GS even though it was physically identical (save the shiny vs. matte Apple logo and text on the back)?

I think that smartphones, in particular Android and iOS phones, have been out for long enough that most of the public who would be purchasing these are more intune with which software they like better than what the back of the phone is made of. People have been flocking to smartphones because they're software allows them to do more, not because of the hardware advances. The hardware is secondary to the vast majority of people. They only become disgruntled with the hardware when its a few years old and it runs the latest software slowly.

Please, your doesnt include the fact tat andriod is growing rapidly very single day. During 3gs era, galaxy never exist. when ip4 releases, it does have alot of physical changes, that where it win over galaxy, which release around the same time.

Think of it this way. if ip4 have the same form as previous iphone, do you think it'll sell that well, i dun know, we'll never know, what you dun need to be a professor to figure out. About 3gs after ip4 release, yes, it rank second but thats only in US.
 
I'm with you on everything you say but unfortunately it seems like hardly anyone is hearing you.

Oh I suspect more of us think this way than we realise. The people who shout the loudest often are just making noise for the sake of noise. The rest of us sit back, see what happens and think about it and then, based on the sales numbers, go out and by iPhones!

People keep making these really sweeping statement about why people buy stuff. They say it's down to style and that big screens are really popular so Apple will lose sales if they do not provide a larger screened device. Th problem with this thinking is that it isn't supported by the facts.

Android phones all run the same software and the same apps. The only thing they have to compete on is hardware. The only way HTC can sell a handset ahead of Samsung or Motorola is by having some kind of fancy new tech in there regardless of how useful it really is. That's why you have Android handsets with 4.4" screens. Stupidly large screens. But then if they didn't keep one-upping each other with bigger screens or LTE stuff how would they differentiate themselves?

Apple doesn't need to do that. Apple has iOS, iTunes and the App Store and now iCloud. So they don't need to get involved in the spec arms race. They offer a unique product that no one else can offer.

So if you're a tech monkey then you're better off with Android because Samsung, HTC, Motorola and the like will force each other to push out higher and higher spec devices again and again. You end up with a million form factors and phones that do things that no sane person really needs them to do because that's how they can sell their phones. But you also end up with the downsides of such differentiation. LTE phones that suck batteries to death and machines so big you can't fit them in your pocket or reach all the bits of the screen with one hand. You also end up with design choices being made to accommodate these differentiating features which actually end up making the stuff that works well work slightly less well!

A friend of mine has an Android phone which uses a system where you can sketch shapes on the screen to activate certain things. An arrow pointing left to go back or right to go forward, for example. It's neat tech and, speaking as someone who used to sell phones for a living, would certainly be useful as a demo to help you sell the handset to tech hungry guys, but in reality it isn't useful. You need to press a button to activate it, for a start, and then half the time the system doesn't recognise the shape you draw! But the problem is you paid for it. The R&D and licensing of tech was all added to the price you paid for the phone. You paid for a feature which really only exists in order to sell you the phone but does nothing for you once you have it!

My point is that Apple works differently. They don't always get it right (Ping, anyone?) but they also don't have to add stuff just because other people have it on their handsets because they can use the unique aspects of their product as listed above to set themselves apart. That's why they're not in a rush to do a full redesign and add LTE, big screens and cup holders. Because they don't have to. And it doesn't seem to be hurting their sales one little bit.
 
What about the iPods? With a 7" Kindle Fire, is Apple going to still charge over $200 for an iPod Touch with a 3.5" screen? Will we see a $129 iPod Touch and the end of the iPod Classic and nano?

great point also... apple is relying on brand name respect and great marketing now for sure..
 
It seems real odd they'd call it a 4S. Why deliberately break the naming scheme they worked to correct with the 3GS? And why create a device that advertises itself as a warmed-over iPhone 4 after waiting 50% longer than normal to release it? I'd not want to be a AAPL shareholder if what we see today is an iPhone 4 with a faster CPU and more memory -- it would be rightfully disappointing to see only incremental improvements a year and a half later. Apple does have a record of boom/bust cycles, maybe we're sliding into another bust era for a few years.

I love the people who extrapolate that the 'naming scheme' has been 'broken'

Here's the 'naming scheme' so far:
iPhone
iPhone 3G
iPhone 3Gs
iPhone 4

There's absolutely no pattern that can be derived from that list, except that the new one will be called 'iPhone' something.
If the new one is called the iPhone 4s, *then* we'll have a pattern to extrapolate from. If it's an iPhone 5, then we'll have a different pattern to extrapolate from. Right now, we don't have a pattern at all.
 
Wow....

16 months later and we get the EXACT SAME PHONE with a better processor and a slightly better camera?

This isn't 2009 w/ the 3GS - Android is exploding and an iPhone 4S will not make people run to the Apple stores.
You're right,... maybe an iPhone 4S ALONE would not make people run to the Apple stores, HOWEVER... you're forgetting this thing called "software", specifically VOICE ASSISTANT that is supposed to be supported ONLy on the new hardware. Remember what the owner/archetect of the software said about it a day or so ago:
Make no mistake: Apple’s ‘mainstreaming’ Artificial Intelligence in the form of a Virtual Personal Assistant is a groundbreaking event. I’d go so far as to say it is a World-Changing event.​
Apple knows that people will clamor after new hardware, but they will also over new software if it is truly "world-changing". Think about it.

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This whole naming thing and pissing and moaning about a phone is ridiculous to me. It reminds (totally) of all of the people in the Assassin's Creed game circle that have been upset that Ubisoft didn't go from AC II to AC III, so they would "get a brand new assassin". They could've but we ALL would have missed "Brotherhood" and the upcoming "Revelations" which looks to the best of all of them, whether or not it has a "III" in the title or not.

This Apple iPhone thing is the same way. We don't know how much money it takes to create a phone design and tool factories to manufacture it. And then how much money it takes to change over and the downtime it takes to do ramp back up to start over. That's why, apparently, we're going to be on a two year cycle with each design. And I'm fine with that. You have to look at the big picture and the whole story. People who are hung up on WHOLE numbers need to get a grip.

If you don't want an iPhone 4S —> Hit up a buggy HTC Android phone and shaddap!
 
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