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Apple to Release Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR on December 10
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I think it's neat we're getting a new Mac Pro that actually supports expansion and the display is no doubt going to be the best 60Hz monitor money can buy for a while.
But the elephant in the room is definitely the 32 Core Threadripper which handily beats the 28 Core CPU in the Mac Pro and then next year AMD is going to release a 64 Core Threadripper part which is socket compatible with their current 32 Core Threadripper part.
If the Mac Pro existed in a vacuum the price could be more easily defended but when you want this system for professional work its really the maximum performance attainable that matters and this system is already outdated when it comes to performance before it has even launched and will be about 1/3rd the performance for 2x the cost in less than 6 months due to that 64-core Threadripper becoming available.
Now I know already some people are going to reply to me and say well Threadripper isn't for professionals like XEON's are but that's simply not the case. All the Threadripper processors support ECC memory just like the XEON's do and they come with very high PCIe lane counts. In-fact Threadripper 3 (the ones I'm discussing right now) already have PCIe 4.0.
In-fact the only reason we don't have Thunderbolt 4 right now is because Intels chips don't support PCIe 4.0 yet. If they did we would have a new Thunderbolt standard to take advantage of the doubling in bandwidth that PCIe 4.0 provides over PCIe 3.0. Similarly Apple's custom SSD could be faster on a Threadripper system if they upgraded their controller to utilise PCIe 4.0.
You may have noticed on the new Mac Pro Apple created their own PCIe slot that sits behind the normal PCIe slots to provide extra bandwidth to their custom GPU (the one with two processors on one card). If the system had utilised Threadripper 3 this second slot wouldn't have been necessary as the main slot would have the necessary bandwidth from the get go.
So anyway my point here is, if you need the best desktop performance available and it has to be a Mac (due to your love of macOS) then the Mac Pro is obviously the machine for you. But if you can use Linux or Windows in your workflow this Mac Pro is doing you a disservice with an under performing and outdated architecture compared to what AMD can provide and in that case I would implore you to get a system built from Pugent Systems or another boutique PC manufacturer that can get you ultimate performance, silence and similar features to a Mac Pro at a significant cost reduction.
But the elephant in the room is definitely the 32 Core Threadripper which handily beats the 28 Core CPU in the Mac Pro and then next year AMD is going to release a 64 Core Threadripper part which is socket compatible with their current 32 Core Threadripper part.
If the Mac Pro existed in a vacuum the price could be more easily defended but when you want this system for professional work its really the maximum performance attainable that matters and this system is already outdated when it comes to performance before it has even launched and will be about 1/3rd the performance for 2x the cost in less than 6 months due to that 64-core Threadripper becoming available.
Now I know already some people are going to reply to me and say well Threadripper isn't for professionals like XEON's are but that's simply not the case. All the Threadripper processors support ECC memory just like the XEON's do and they come with very high PCIe lane counts. In-fact Threadripper 3 (the ones I'm discussing right now) already have PCIe 4.0.
In-fact the only reason we don't have Thunderbolt 4 right now is because Intels chips don't support PCIe 4.0 yet. If they did we would have a new Thunderbolt standard to take advantage of the doubling in bandwidth that PCIe 4.0 provides over PCIe 3.0. Similarly Apple's custom SSD could be faster on a Threadripper system if they upgraded their controller to utilise PCIe 4.0.
You may have noticed on the new Mac Pro Apple created their own PCIe slot that sits behind the normal PCIe slots to provide extra bandwidth to their custom GPU (the one with two processors on one card). If the system had utilised Threadripper 3 this second slot wouldn't have been necessary as the main slot would have the necessary bandwidth from the get go.
So anyway my point here is, if you need the best desktop performance available and it has to be a Mac (due to your love of macOS) then the Mac Pro is obviously the machine for you. But if you can use Linux or Windows in your workflow this Mac Pro is doing you a disservice with an under performing and outdated architecture compared to what AMD can provide and in that case I would implore you to get a system built from Pugent Systems or another boutique PC manufacturer that can get you ultimate performance, silence and similar features to a Mac Pro at a significant cost reduction.
Threadrippers doesn't support Registered ECC, which limits the memory to 256GB at maximum.
Very good advice. I've gone the DIY pathway since the 2018 Mac mini release and yes, for some things like virtualisation, better performance and customisation is to be had with other OS's. But Apple has not bothered to turn MacOS into something as powerful as Linux for servers and 'things' like toasters, automated sprinklers etc, or for distributed computing, or Windows for gaming hardware support. That's OK, I think Apple have done right by keeping their scope narrow and getting it right. But looking at Apple's balance sheet, it's a proven fact the prices are exorbitant.
Will this count?
https://bizon-tech.com/bizon-v9000.html
Starting at $6,290
- Processor:2nd Gen 2019 Dual 8-Core 2.10 GHz Intel Xeon Silver 4210 (Up to 56 Cores)
- Memory: 32 GB DDR4 2666 MHz ECC Buffered Memory (up to 1 TB)
- Graphics Card: NVIDIA RTX 2080 SUPER (optional 4 x Titan V or RTX 2080 Ti or Quadro RTX)
- SSD: 250 GB PCI-E SSD (Up to 4 TB SSD)
- Additional HDD: 4 TB HDD (Up to 9 x 12 TB HDD)
- 10 Gbit LAN, SATA-3, RAID, USB 3.0, USB 3.1, M.2 PCI-E.
- Case: Rackmountable. Horizontal or vertical placement.
I'm on the fence. I like some of what they did with MacOS, but I miss how the older versions like 10.7 would just let you get your work done and leave you the hell alone. No pestering about an app store, icloud, or stupid notifications popping up for stupid reasons.
The base model uses 2666MHz memory (the others use 2993MHz) so it’ll be more available I think. Crucial.com (Micron) and macsales.com would be the usual suspects, I’d call them on Monday and see what will be available.
But it looks like crucial has 16GB for $90 and 32GB for $180. 64GB for about 360. Take out the 4x8GB from the base and install 6 of something.
Compared to any previous Mac Pro, the same things you’re comparing the price to?
I didn’t say it isn’t real. I said what I personally have seen. You’re apparently claiming some “pros” have said it’s too expensive, but can’t even identify that you heard it verbally? You just jump straight to ridiculous made up requirements about recordings.
Why so defensive?
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You obviously never owned a powermac g5.
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Compared to the latest iPhone prices, the macpro is a bargain......
MMMMHMMMM. Looking forward to seeing that.
Apple is obviously trying to market it as a viable and cost effective.
You know computing has changed so much all along this time that high count of CPU has never been this cheap, and it will continue to trend that way.
I guess MP is now reaching a level of red camera, and many trendy “professionals” will get it. But for those diehard Mac lovers, including me, who want 3~4,000 headless mac, Apple will probably never provide a right computer. Sad moment for us since those still requiring computer really require that power for what they do for living or for hobby. Casual users have plenty of options stretching from iPad to MBP, iMac, but none for us.
You know computing has changed so much all along this time that high count of CPU has never been this cheap, and it will continue to trend that way.
I guess MP is now reaching a level of red camera, and many trendy “professionals” will get it. But for those diehard Mac lovers, including me, who want 3~4,000 headless mac, Apple will probably never provide a right computer. Sad moment for us since those still requiring computer really require that power for what they do for living or for hobby. Casual users have plenty of options stretching from iPad to MBP, iMac, but none for us.
I would imagine this one will be even greater in that regard. Your 5,1 has a 8GB-48GB range, so after market max is 6x the original "base" memory.
The 2019 range even with the base CPU has a 32GB to 768GB range according to Apple, according to Intel it's up to 1TB for the W3223. Even if no third parties ever offer DIMMs that will allow the full 1TB capacity, Apple's stated maximum is 256x the base memory. That is a ridiculous increase in capacity.
The sheer number of slots (both PCI and memory) also means upgrading over time is a much easier process (i.e. adding more memory or PCI cards won't automatically mean needing to take out some of the existing ones).
None of us here should be bothered about this news - it truly is a pro machine for audiovisual production /post-production shops and high end music studios.
Have you considered that maybe they don't want to sell a stand with every monitor? The components used may not be available in huge quantities. Like how Apple has bought up the entire world supply of certain products/components in the past. Or in a wider sense, like how it took China until 2017 to be able to make a ballpoint pen without having to import ball bearings. Yes - 2017.
And for those with VESA mounts already, it would take the cost from $5200 to $6200.
Should've. Yep. Or maybe not.
Apple Tags would have been a very good Christmas present. Looks like it's not going to happen and this is the last product release this year.
In Benchmarks the Xeon Apple uses in the base model is slower compared to a i9 9900K.
So together with a 5700XT, 64GB Ram and 2TB Samsung Evo Pro - I‘d like to say that a little PC (<3k) whipes the floor with the 6K base model Mac Pro. I‘m using exactly this system (vega64 actually) and on the top Linux feels so damn fast compared to macOS and I have CUDA, OpenGL, Vulkan ...
My next one will get an AMD threadripper. The only thing left is the piece of hardware Apple builds to decode and encode 4K streams - but for gods sake I don‘t need it.
It would be a ridiculous increase in capacity.
Doesn't the word ridiculous make you stop and check your math? You probably should have done that.
768GB is 24x the base 32GB. Only a factor of 10 out.
A regular Mac does not currently exist, so it is not easy to know how it would do in the market. I think it would do great.
If your needs aren't huge, adding 8x 8GB will give you 96GB in six channel mode (in twelve slots). Crucial have 8GB ECC 2933 (or 2666) RDIMMs for $60 a piece - so ~$480 triples your memory to 96GB while getting optimal channel coverage (obviously at the cost of no free slots after).
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So it is, seems the keyboard missed the '2' and I didn't notice. Good catch.
10 December Mac Pro release means (hopefully) also MacOS 10.15.2 release! (also ios 13.3 release)