Apple to Release Thinner MacBook Pro at WWDC

[faroZ06]

and this pertains to mbps how?

Megabits per second? (Just kidding.)

 

[Yetihunter]

I don't believe Skynet is supposed to utilize ethernet when it becomes self aware.

 

[InuNacho]

You all flipped out over the floppy drive ixnay didn't you? You know you did. Yeah... embarrassed now aren't you...
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Nope, I was using Zips.

 

[mrsir2009]

I find it hilarious that no one got the joke.

What is the joke?

 

[faroZ06]

Has nothing to do with bulk, but the effectiveness of USB to Ethernet adaptors. This point has been made valid plenty of times in this thread. Many people who rely on Ethernet have no other choice. They can't switch to wireless due to bandwidth limits, security vulnerabilities, and the cost of infrastructure and they can't use an adaptor because the bandwidth limit of current adaptors and the draw on the CPU. The only choice is to buy a different computer. There's plenty of alternatives to the ODD, many superior. There isn't one superior alternative to ethernet.

And really, an external drive is ideal IMO. I've only used mine on my MBP once or twice in the last 3 years, but when I used them a few years before that I ended up breaking disk in them a few times. For most people it's much cheaper to replace an external drive than an internal one.

External drive is fine, but no ethernet? No way! Well, you could use an ethernet to FireWire (or Thunderbolt) adapter, but I don't know how well that will work. Both of those are good for networking and can act as ethernet cables, but I doubt that they deliver the same performance as they are designed for file transfer, not packet transfer.

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Finally get rid of the superdrive.

The fact that some of the ports on it (most importantly, ethernet) seem to be missing suggest that they moved them around. Maybe the superdrive is on the front like it used to be, and most of the ports are on the right like they used to be (and should be)?

 

[mrsir2009]

and this pertains to mbps how?

Apple doesn't really make professional products these days, it's all for your everyday, average joe.

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The fact that some of the ports on it (most importantly, ethernet) seem to be missing suggest that they moved them around. Maybe the superdrive is on the front like it used to be, and most of the ports are on the right like they used to be (and should be)?

Or maybe (and more likely), the superdrive is gone completely, which allows them to put some of the ports round the other side.

 

[CountSessine]

Jeebus Kraist, people.

I use the Ethernet port on my 2010 MBP all the time. ALL. THE. TIME. At home it's wifi. At work, it's GB Ethernet. And I actually use that bandwidth.

And I'd GLADLY give up that crummy Ethernet port for a thinner, lighter 15" MBP.

If you use your computer like me, you can buy an adapter. Apple will make one. Or someone else will. Relax. Buy it. Leave it at work. Rest easy.

If you're just too lazy to carry around said 2 oz adapter, and you'd rather the rest of us suffer by having to drag around an extra pound of laptop everywhere we go to carry our quad-core power with us, then...I'm sorry. I'd rather the 99% of MBP owners that don't need an ethernet port on the go were relieved of that extra pound than see the tiny minority of MBP users that still need ethernet ports save carrying a 2oz adapter. Smaller and lighter is better.

Millions of people enjoying 1lb + 2mm savings > thousands of people missing their ethernet port

Do I want a 15" MacBook Air? Of course! Wouldn't you? If I could get a 15" MBA with a kick-ass CPU and GPU, which is what this sounds like, of course I would buy it. And I'm pretty sure that I'm not alone.

 

[brian82788]

802.11* will always be a shared bus, subject to interference and other issues.

Wired GbE is a full duplex full bandwidth fabric.

You'd need terabit WiFi to equal gigabit copper.




T-Bolt is a connector for external PCIe devices - it's not a network protocol. A T-Bolt -> GbE adaptor would be almost as good an an internal GbE adaptor on PCIe.

In theory, you could have a T-Bolt -> 10GbE adaptor, but it would be second class compared to an internal PCIe 10GbE adaptor.




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Yes, you're not techical, since you claim to measure GbE at 5600 Mbps.

GbE is not "capped" - but actual end-to-end performance is of course never the theoretical limit of 125 MBps.

Real world performance of over 100 MBps is easy - as long as the source disk and the target disk can read/write at over 100 MBps. Otherwise, you're just measuring the poorer of the source or target disk speeds.

Wow, you just decided to correct everyone. Way to go.

 

[EwanMcTeagle]

Has nothing to do with bulk, but the effectiveness of USB to Ethernet adaptors. This point has been made valid plenty of times in this thread. Many people who rely on Ethernet have no other choice. They can't switch to wireless due to bandwidth limits, security vulnerabilities, and the cost of infrastructure and they can't use an adaptor because the bandwidth limit of current adaptors and the draw on the CPU. The only choice is to buy a different computer. There's plenty of alternatives to the ODD, many superior. There isn't one superior alternative to ethernet.

Good point. I'm afraid that my company may resign from MBPs if the ethernet is not there. Technically it's not a problem, we have internal wifi, but first of all we need to upload/download GB of images etc to and from our servers thus adapters won't be sufficient as a "replacement" for an ethernet port. Second of all it's a security issue - couple of hundreds of computers with password protected wifi is a higher risk of that password being leaked, especially that many of those Mac are MBPs that employees can take home. I don't think that an international corporation will go for that even if it has always worked with Apple and on Apple in its creative departments. So the MBPs that we will be getting near the end of May may be the last MBPs we get. Sadly

 

[mac jones]

802.11* will always be a shared bus, subject to interference and other issues.

Yes, you're not techical, since you claim to measure GbE at 5600 Mbps.

GbE is not "capped" - but actual end-to-end performance is of course never the theoretical limit of 125 MBps.

Real world performance of over 100 MBps is easy - as long as the source disk and the target disk can read/write at over 100 MBps. Otherwise, you're just measuring the poorer of the source or target disk speeds.

5600? I didn't post that....I don't think
(And BTW, thanks for rubbing it in )

I measured these using a Macbook Pro 2.4GHZ Quad, 512GB Crucial M4 6gbps SSD, to a 2.3GHZ Macbook Pro, 256GB Samsung 830 6gbps SSD. A Macbook Mini 2.3GHZ i5, Samsung 256GB 830; A Samsung series 9 1.6GHZ dual core, 128GB Samsung SATA 2.0 SSD.

I measure the speeds mixed, as I was trying to get a grip on what was going on. I used Passmark network test on guest and slaves using Windows 7 64bit (boot camp). And two different CAT 6 cables.

Now I got the same results on pretty much on all of them, which led me to think WYSIWYG. I don't know. I know that the drive is a bottleneck, and a RAM drive would get better results, but those are not what i'm going to be using so......

I don't know

 

[aloshka]

Just to throw a bit of oil on the fire, the majority of my acquaintances with MacBooks aren't crying about the loss of ethernet, but the demise of the DVD drive. These are predominantly touring musicians and actors, who are frequently on the road/in the air and spend time while travelling as well as many an evening in hotel rooms, catching up on the latest TV series on DVD.

When I've said to them "oh but you can just get a separate drive" they make much the same arguments against carrying an extra thing around as the people moaning here about not wanting to carry around the Ethernet-TB adapter that will inevitably be made available. The difference is, in their case, primarily because of its much greater bulk, they have more of a point. I'm not arguing that the DVD drive should stay, far from it. What I'm saying is there are people out there who actually have a much better reason to be complaining about the loss of the DVD drive than all you lot crying over the loss of the Ethernet port. Honestly, get a grip.

Also, I think there are MORE people that hate the ODD because it takes up space, makes weird noises and we all moved on to downloading movies, etc before going to a hotel using our ipads, iphones, etc. And renting is great too.

 

[CountSessine]

Thunderbolt to Ethernet is not going to cut it. Any conversion will limit real-time usage. There are a lot of apps that use this connection for real-time data.

THen again, perhaps Thunderbolt itself could be used. If it was comparable (or faster) than this of course would be a option.

Thunderbolt is basically an external connector for PCIe, and is very low latency. A thunderbolt=>Ethernet connector is about as direct a way as you can attach an Ethernet chip to a system bus as there is. If you really have "real-time" applications that require something better than the sub-ns latencies in thunderbolt, it's fair to say that about half the motherboards on the market are going to let you down in the same way, depending on how they've been laid-out. And I can't imagine what OSX's competitive but sub-optimal network stack is going to do to your real-time application.

And seriously. The latencies imposed by any Ethernet solution in your machine are probably going to be small even in comparison to how long it takes packets to go from one room in your house to another over cat6.

 

[d0vr]

Who knows maybe that's an option but right now I think tiered storage is the best. I'm ok with a slower, quiet mass storage HDD for my Audio, Video and Photos along with 256GB of 500Mbytes per second SSD running the OS and applications. SMOKING!!

Oh good, I'm not the only sane person. This seems like the best choice for performancerice benefits.

Even better if we can fit an extra HDD/SSD where the optical drive was (so, 1x SSD for OS, and 2x HDD for everything else), but I doubt it, especially of the screen is retina.

 

[SirHaakon]

No. But basic port such as ethernet is necessary. Imagine that by today's technology, it's possible for Apple to just build a Macbook only with MagSafe and Thunderbolt and that's it.

They essentially do; it's called the Macbook Air and they sell a crapton of them. Granted it has a USB port, but no ethernet, no firewire, no optical drive... technology evolves.

 

[mac jones]

Thunderbolt is basically an external connector for PCIe, and is very low latency. A thunderbolt=>Ethernet connector is about as direct a way as you can attach an Ethernet chip to a system bus as there is. If you really have "real-time" applications that require something better than the sub-ns latencies in thunderbolt, it's fair to say that about half the motherboards on the market are going to let you down in the same way, depending on how they've been laid-out. And I can't imagine what OSX's competitive but sub-optimal network stack is going to do to your real-time application.

And seriously. The latencies imposed by any Ethernet solution in your machine are probably going to be small even in comparison to how long it takes packets to go from one room in your house to another over cat6.

I've heard a few places that OS X has some problems with Core audio, so this is a concern.

But My Cat 6 is shortish, not room length. I only cable in order to expand my system resources, not my system geography

note: I don't know know why i'm posting like crazy....boredom probably.....sorry

 

[dukebound85]

5600? I didn't post that....I don't think
(And BTW, thanks for rubbing it in )

I measured these using a Macbook Pro 2.4GHZ Quad, 512GB Crucial M4 6gbps SSD, to a 2.3GHZ Macbook Pro, 256GB Samsung 830 6gbps SSD. A Macbook Mini 2.3GHZ i5, Samsung 256GB 830; A Samsung series 9 1.6GHZ dual core, 128GB Samsung SATA 2.0 SSD.

I measure the speeds mixed, as I was trying to get a grip on what was going on. I used Passmark network test on guest and slaves using Windows 7 64bit (boot camp). And two different CAT 6 cables.

Now I got the same results on pretty much on all of them, which led me to think WYSIWYG. I don't know. I know that the drive is a bottleneck, and a RAM drive would get better results, but those are not what i'm going to be using so......

I don't know

700MBps = 5600mbps

 

[TennisandMusic]

Can someone here please define "professional" ?

Seriously.

I fully expect 10 different definitions.

In Apple's term it's an aspirational marketing thing. I am buying a Macbook "Pro", therefore "I am" a pro. Same with the Mac Pro. The hardware that goes into these things tends to be quite cookie cutter. Someone who actually uses the stuff as a tool to make money doesn't care what the name is. A consumer might however.

Remember when Apple brought the firewire back to the 13" laptop a few years back, and I believe it was Schiller who then said, "which makes it fully deserving of the name...Macbook Pro"? The audience actually applauded. To think that adding firewire to a computer justified a pro marketing label...just kind of insane.

 

[Konrad]

So...how do i plug the 30 inch cinema display ant the g- raid to it? How do I plug the wired Internet in a hotel in India, where I also want to burn a cd while at it?

 

[jameslmoser]

There's a difference between being portable and only being used on the run.

Sez who? Lots of laptops are used often as desktop replacements. My wife worked somewhere that you've heard of, where everyone had [only] a laptop, whether they moved it around or not. Providing adequate coverage and throughput for hundreds of wifi clients in a corporate environment would suck hard.

Which TB display is that? You're going to buy me one? Kewl. Will you have one set up for me everywhere I travel, so I'm not constrained by crappy semi-functional, overloaded WAP's.

Laptops might be used by some people AS a desktop replacement, but they ARE portables even if you don't want to admit to it. Also, your ignoring the fact that I stated you can use USB ethernet.

Also, if you don't want one without ethernet... don't buy one... Kewl???

 

[jgbr]

I put my money in USB3 and either a

USB3 to 100/1000mbps Ethernet adapter

Or

TB to 100/1000mbps adapter

What's more intresting is if you strip a 13inch MBP down, you end up with a 13inch MBA? Canabalising sales or one or another as identical product or risk one slightly thicker for upgrade ability but would be very alike!

Also add ones coming: BelkinsThunderbolt new dock includes Ethernet....

 

[Mackan]

Guess I have to chime in. Shut up and take my money!!

 

[CountSessine]

So...how do i plug the 30 inch cinema display ant the g- raid to it? How do I plug the wired Internet in a hotel in India, where I also want to burn a cd while at it?

And this is a mainstream requirement? More so than lighter and thinner?

 

[Liquinn]

I like the current design and how the aluminium feels meaty, kinda like the iPad 1 to the iPad 2/3 xD

 

[kustardking]

And this is a mainstream requirement? More so than lighter and thinner?

Are you saying that the "Pro" moniker is meaningless? "Pro" means not mainstream.

 

[Ieo]

Heh... you and others are claiming lack of an ethernet port for two reasons. One is that the earlier article suggested it. The other is that the image used in this article depicts the laptop without one. On the first article, it shows two thunderbolt ports on the opposing side. Going back further, it came from digitimes. I'd chock this up to another troll rumor, especially given that Apple hasn't really used WWDC for Mac hardware announcements in a while.

That's just it....I'm NOT claiming there will or won't be an ethernet port....I'm just saying that IF there isn't, it's not going to be something a lot of users will ever miss; You either use it a lot and therefore are bound to complain about it, or you don't use it at all and will never miss it.

Please at least read the posts you quote.