Apple to Require COVID Testing for Employees Starting Next Month, Still No Vaccine Mandate

[seadragon]

The non-vaccinated are a real problem in Idaho according this article:

"Idaho has one of the lowest COVID-19 vaccination rates in the United States."

"The situation in Idaho's hospitals has become dire. The facilities are so full of mostly unvaccinated COVID-19 patients that many can no longer operate normally. Several hospitals have had to ration care."

With hospitals crowded from COVID, 1 in 5 American families delays health care

Putting off surgeries or routine treatments for serious illnesses has become common during the pandemic, a new NPR/Harvard poll finds.

www.npr.org

 

[nathansz]

The non-vaccinated are a real problem in Idaho according this article:

"Idaho has one of the lowest COVID-19 vaccination rates in the United States."

"The situation in Idaho's hospitals has become dire. The facilities are so full of mostly unvaccinated COVID-19 patients that many can no longer operate normally. Several hospitals have had to ration care."

With hospitals crowded from COVID, 1 in 5 American families delays health care

Putting off surgeries or routine treatments for serious illnesses has become common during the pandemic, a new NPR/Harvard poll finds.

www.npr.org

what’s happening where i live is that the hospitals are being overwhelmed in the rural north east of the province where vaccination rates are as low as 55-60% and they are having to fly people hundreds of miles to the cities for care

 

[A MacBook lover]

I'm a reasonable guy. When the government says that Phizer, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson lose immunity and can be sued and held responsible for negative side effects I'll seriously consider taking the vaccine. Until then no chance

 

[I7guy]

I'm a reasonable guy. When the government says that Phizer, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson lose immunity and can be sued and held responsible for negative side effects I'll seriously consider taking the vaccine. Until then no chance

You can do what you want. It's doesn't seem probable this immunity from lawsuits will ever be lifted. You might as well play Vegas. Get the vaccine and risk side effects or, don't get the vaccine and risk being in one of the 95% statistic. Oh what a choice. Heads I win, tails you lost.

 

[A MacBook lover]

You can do what you want. It's doesn't seem probable this immunity from lawsuits will ever be lifted. You might as well play Vegas. Get the vaccine and risk side effects or, don't get the vaccine and risk being in one of the 95% statistic. Oh what a choice. Heads I win, tails you lost.

This would be acceptable if the vaccine didn’t also still have the risk of catching the very virus it’s protecting against.

 

[nathansz]

This would be acceptable if the vaccine didn’t also still have the risk of catching the very virus it’s protecting against.

how does a vaccine contract a virus?

 

[baypharm]

I'm a reasonable guy. When the government says that Phizer, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson lose immunity and can be sued and held responsible for negative side effects I'll seriously consider taking the vaccine. Until then no chance

It is easy for you to say those things. You are alive and well. I have to wonder how many of those 700,000 souls who lost their lives to SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 would have given their life savings and fancy cars to have gotten a simple shot in the arm? 700K people died - that’s almost like the entire population of Baltimore MD just disappearing. Perhaps I could tell you of the hundreds of lives being lost in ICU’s where the dying are literally (and figuratively) begging for a vaccine - a vaccine that will not save them now. What if you saw video and heard audio of the screaming and chaos…in these rooms?

Sadly, something tells me you would still be in denial.

 

[I7guy]

This would be acceptable if the vaccine didn’t also still have the risk of catching the very virus it’s protecting against.

Polio is still around. And it's a mandated vaccination for children.

 

[jk73]

Polio is still around. And it's a mandated vaccination for children.

How many vaccinated people have caught polio this year? How many vaccinated people have died of polio this year?

 

[jk73]

i don’t really care who gets vaccinated or not

i do care when people spread misinformation and lies online

if you do refuse to get vaccinated you should stay in your home since you’ve chosen to be a danger to your community

I already had Covid. Why would I need the vaccine? More importantly, why should I be required to get the vaccine?

 

[jk73]

In other news:

New York must allow religious exemptions to COVID-19 vaccine mandate, judge rules

A federal judge ruled on Tuesday that New York state cannot impose a COVID-19 vaccine mandate on healthcare workers without allowing their employers to consider religious exemption requests.

www.reuters.com

It will be interesting to see where this will go. Unvaccinated health care workers taking care of covid-19 patients?

You mean, like they did for all of 2020?

lol

 

[I7guy]

How many vaccinated people have caught polio this year? How many vaccinated people have died of polio this year?

In 2018 33 people caught polio. One can still catch a disease one is vaccinated against. The point is the amount of protection the vaccine gives.

 

[jk73]

In 2018 33 people caught polio. One can still catch a disease one is vaccinated against. The point is the amount of protection the vaccine gives.

lol

It sure is.

 

[I7guy]

I already had Covid. Why would I need the vaccine? More importantly, why should I be required to get the vaccine?

You don't have to get the vaccine. Nobody is forcing you. However, barring NY, your future options may be limited and hopefully you don't end up as a 95% statistic.

 

[jk73]

You don't have to get the vaccine. Nobody is forcing you. However, barring NY, your future options may be limited and hopefully you don't end up as a 95% statistic.

Why should my “future options be limited”? Why would I end up “as a 95% statistic”?

 

[nathansz]

I already had Covid. Why would I need the vaccine? More importantly, why should I be required to get the vaccine?

a better question is why wouldn’t you need the vaccine?

No, your antibodies are not better than vaccination: An explainer

Infection does offer some immune protection—but it’s unreliable compared with vaccines.

arstechnica.com

…here come the frowny faces!

 

[nathansz]

Why should my “future options be limited”? Why would I end up “as a 95% statistic”?

your future options will be limited as more and more restrictions are placed on unvaccinated people

 

[jk73]

a better question is why wouldn’t you need the vaccine?

No, your antibodies are not better than vaccination: An explainer

Infection does offer some immune protection—but it’s unreliable compared with vaccines.

arstechnica.com

…here come the frowny faces!

What percentage of the people currently hospitalized with Covid are second-time or third-time Covid patients?

Please do not respond with anything except factual data from an authoritative source(s). I’m not interested in some “expert’s” theory about vaccines being better than natural immunity. I’m only interested in the facts. Thanks.

 

[Feyl]

I would rather people live a long healthier life then worrying about if it’s approved or not.

Thalidomide. It's just from the top of my head. Google it and come back and say to me that there can't be any danger regarding a brand new vaccine and we should all blindingly get it and not be even a little bit cautious.

 

[jk73]

your future options will be limited as more and more restrictions are placed on unvaccinated people

Why should limitations be placed on unvaccinated people who already had Covid?

Again, please reply only with the percentage of people currently hospitalized with Covid who are second-time or third-time Covid patients. Please do not respond with anything except factual data from an authoritative source(s). I’m not interested in some “expert’s” theory about vaccines being better than natural immunity. I’m only interested in the facts. Thanks.

 

[nathansz]

What percentage of the people currently hospitalized with Covid are second-time or third-time Covid patients?

Please do not respond with anything except factual data from an authoritative source(s). I’m not interested in some “expert’s” theory about vaccines being better than natural immunity. I’m only interested in the facts. Thanks.

i’m sure you could look that information up yourself

as usual you miss the point though

the vaccine isn’t just to protect you from going to the hospital. it’s to prevent the spread of infection throughout your community

 

[nathansz]

Why should limitations be placed on unvaccinated people who already had Covid?

Again, please reply only with the percentage of people currently hospitalized with Covid who are second-time or third-time Covid patients. Please do not respond with anything except factual data from an authoritative source(s). I’m not interested in some “expert’s” theory about vaccines being better than natural immunity. I’m only interested in the facts. Thanks.

because getting covid is not the same thing as being vaccinated

what you’ve done here is set up a false test. and an asinine one at that

the test of whether or not someone should be vaccinated after having covid isn’t how many people are currently being hospitalized for the second or third time.

that’s completely irrelevant

plus you don’t get to decide that only x information is a valid response to your question. that doesn’t make any sense at all. you can’t demand the answer you want

 

[seadragon]

“This study found that among Kentucky residents who were previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020, those who were unvaccinated against COVID-19 had significantly higher likelihood of reinfection during May and June 2021. This finding supports the CDC recommendation that all eligible persons be offered COVID-19 vaccination, regardless of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection status.”

“These findings suggest that among persons with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection, full vaccination provides additional protection against reinfection. Among previously infected Kentucky residents, those who were not vaccinated were more than twice as likely to be reinfected compared with those with full vaccination. All eligible persons should be offered vaccination, including those with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection, to reduce their risk for future infection.”

Source:

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19...

This report describes COVID-19 reinfection among vaccinated and unvaccinated persons in Kentucky.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Feyl]

There's a reason why we didn't close schools and businesses for the flu or previous viruses... they didn't fill up ICUs and fracture families in anything close to the numbers that Covid does.

In my country we have an epidemic of sick children now with pneumonia and other "normal" infections that's filling up ICUs. It turns out that lockdowns and closing schools, etc. doesn't work and cause more trouble if you're taken out of natural company of other people. This is an evidence of creating weak immune system if you isolate and sit home all day. Why is the situation in the most vaccinated countries still bad and in some even worse than before vaccination? For example, in Singapore there's 80% vaccination rate but they have more cases and more death, which majority of them are vaccinated. Why is vaccinated Israel having a big spike in Covid for months? Why are countries like Sweden or Norway alright even when there weren't any mojar restrictions and lockdowns? How do you explain that? Why does Slovakia have much much more deaths with lockdowns, mandatory vaccination and masks in comparison with these countries with the same population?

 

[I7guy]

What percentage of the people currently hospitalized with Covid are second-time or third-time Covid patients?

Please do not respond with anything except factual data from an authoritative source(s). I’m not interested in some “expert’s” theory about vaccines being better than natural immunity. I’m only interested in the facts. Thanks.

You can do your own research and not ask someone to do it for you, if you want to discuss a topic in a genuine manner.