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Thalidomide is a drug not a vaccine. Lead used to be considered safe. What’s the point here?
What's the point here? Don't you know? Does it matter if we're talking about a drug or a vaccine? It's still medicine.
 
i’m sure you could look that information up yourself

as usual you miss the point though

the vaccine isn’t just to protect you from going to the hospital. it’s to prevent the spread of infection throughout your community

No, no, no. You claimed people who previously had Covid definitely need the vaccine. Where is your data in support of that claim? Remember the rules here.

I’ll ask again: What percentage of people currently hospitalized with Covid are second-time or third-time Covid patients?
 
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What's the point here? Don't you know? Does it matter if we're talking about a drug or a vaccine? It's still medicine.
The point is medicine is not binary. Because something wasn’t safe in the past doesn’t mean medicine shouldn’t press forward. If your world view is:”There were things that were unsafe in the past therefore I don’t trust anything new to be safe” you have to do what’s right for you. But personally I would want to be vaccinated than risk being a stat.
 
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because getting covid is not the same thing as being vaccinated

what you’ve done here is set up a false test. and an asinine one at that

the test of whether or not someone should be vaccinated after having covid isn’t how many people are currently being hospitalized for the second or third time.

that’s completely irrelevant

plus you don’t get to decide that only x information is a valid response to your question. that doesn’t make any sense at all. you can’t demand the answer you want

It’s 100% relevant.

Please post data in support of your position.
 
No, no, no. You claimed people who previously had Covid definitely need the vaccine. Where is your data in support of that claim? Remember the rules here.
I’ll ask again: What percentage of people currently hospitalized with Covid are second-time or third-time Covid patients?
You asked, you provide a citation,
 
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“This study found that among Kentucky residents who were previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020, those who were unvaccinated against COVID-19 had significantly higher likelihood of reinfection during May and June 2021. This finding supports the CDC recommendation that all eligible persons be offered COVID-19 vaccination, regardless of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection status.”

“These findings suggest that among persons with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection, full vaccination provides additional protection against reinfection. Among previously infected Kentucky residents, those who were not vaccinated were more than twice as likely to be reinfected compared with those with full vaccination. All eligible persons should be offered vaccination, including those with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection, to reduce their risk for future infection.”

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I asked for current hospitalization numbers. This is a five-month-old study when people were freshly vaccinated. Tells us nothing.
 
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No, no, no. You claimed people who previously had Covid definitely need the vaccine. Where is your data in support of that claim? Remember the rules here.

I’ll ask again: What percentage of people currently hospitalized with Covid are second-time or third-time Covid patients?

yes. people who previously had covid definitely need the vaccine in order to lower the transmission of covid in their communities.

it has nothing to do with the percentage of people currently hospitalized who are second or third time covid patients

you are asking for information that is irrelevant
 
The one aspect of all these vaccine talks here in the US, I am seeing nothing on natural immunity or immunity after contracting and surviving COVID.
This should be a big portion.

As you see on this page and the last, we’re not even allowed to talk about it. It’s a taboo subject.
 
No, no. You guys made a claim. Support it with data.

no one here made any claim about how many currently hospitalized covid patients are being hospitalized for the second or third time. that is your own new obsession so if you want to find that out then look it up
 
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that's because any "natural immunity" or amount of protection you get from contracting and surviving covid is not the same as vaccination

Please post data in support of this claim or else I’ll have to notify the mods.
 
yes. people who previously had covid definitely need the vaccine in order to lower the transmission of covid in their communities.

it has nothing to do with the percentage of people currently hospitalized who are second or third time covid patients

you are asking for information that is irrelevant

Are you going to post data or aren’t you?
 
The point is medicine is not binary. Because something wasn’t safe in the past doesn’t mean medicine shouldn’t press forward. If your world view is:”There were things that were unsafe in the past therefore I don’t trust anything new to be safe” you have to do what’s right for you. But personally I would want to be vaccinated than risk being a stat.
My world view is that if somebody comes with something, tells me it's the second coming of Christ but gives me no warranty, I say no thanks and see you later. You clearly don't understand the point here or worse you don't want to. But go ahead, mate. How many times before Covid have you taken en experimental drug? Why didn't you participate in studies and clinical trials for promising medicine before? Is there a difference between if you decide to do that, or if somebody tell you to do that?
 
My world view is that if somebody comes with something, tells me it's the second coming of Christ but gives me no warranty, I say no thanks and see you later. You clearly don't understand the point here or worse you don't want to. But go ahead, mate. How many times before Covid have you taken en experimental drug? Why didn't you participate in studies and clinical trials for promising medicine before? Is there a difference between if you decide to do that, or if somebody tell you to do that?

that's fine. but if you are unwilling to be vaccinated you should stay in your home since you are a much higher risk to every person that you come in to contact with than those have decided to be vaccinated
 
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My world view is that if somebody comes with something, tells me it's the second coming of Christ but gives me no warranty, I say no thanks and see you later. You clearly don't understand the point here or worse you don't want to. But go ahead, mate. How many times before Covid have you taken en experimental drug? Why didn't you participate in studies and clinical trials for promising medicine before? Is there a difference between if you decide to do that, or if somebody tell you to do that?
The vaccine is approved by the FDA. It’s not experimental. And if I had a condition, such as Parkinson’s that could be improved with an experimental drug, I would be first in line.

I don’t know what warranty you require with drugs? The ability to sue? I personally don’t care if you take the vaccine or not, you are a risk to yourself and people around you….unless you are a hermit.
 
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The vaccine is approved by the FDA. It’s not experimental. And if I had a condition, such as Parkinson’s that could be improved with an experimental drug, I would be first in line.

I don’t know what warranty you require with drugs? The ability to sue? I personally don’t care if you take the vaccine or not, you are a risk to yourself and people around you….unless you are a hermit.

If it’s not experimental, why do the manufacturers need blanket immunity? Makes no sense.
 
If it’s not experimental, why do the manufacturers need blanket immunity? Makes no sense.
Because someone who claimed the vaccinations gave them a runny nose, could sue? And these frivolous cases could clog up the court system. And avoids class action lawsuits that would result over things big and small. It was a great move to grant pharma immunity (pun intended).
 
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that's because any "natural immunity" or amount of protection you get from contracting and surviving covid is not the same as vaccination

Kindly support that assertion.

Aside from some EU and Israeli studies, I am finding pretty much nada on the true effect regarding natural immunity and COVID survivors. Matter of fact, the studies outside the US that have been done show results in direct opposition to the CDC assumptions.
 
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