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Apple to Require COVID Testing for Employees Starting Next Month, Still No Vaccine Mandate

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nathansz said:
who’s leaders?

powerful people not
doing the right thing is nothing new.

that doesn’t mean that you should also not do the right thing

i’m not sure what your logic is here.

do you think that by selfishly not being vaccinated or wearing a mask you will somehow rise to become a powerful elite yourself?
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The point is every time you say yes to the outside pressure you are saying no to yourself. If you do this often enough you’ll never have(or deserve) any respect from anybody. Your gun(for example) is not going to help you get any respect and will only help you to become another psycho murderer. Justifiable self defence instance is being an exemption.

So are you saying that the powerful “elite” have a “mandate” to do anything they want? And there is nothing “little people” can do in order to change that or elevate themselves to the level of the powerful “elite”? So 99% have no chance against the 1%? Is that what you’re saying? Or you feel there will never be another Lenin to conceptually lead the 99%? So the 99% are essentially condemned to be sheep until they die?
 
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avz said:
The point is every time you say yes to the outside pressure you are saying no to yourself. If you do this often enough you’ll never have(or deserve) any respect from anybody.
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this is absolute nonsense. saying yes to being vaccinated and wearing a mask isn't about saying no to oneself, it's about doing the right thing for the health and safety of one's fellow human beings. this is exactly how one gains respect from other people.

indeed to be so selfish as to only do what one wants to do without concern for anyone else is what will result in neither having nor deserving respect from anyone else

there seems to be a constant insinuation in this thread that having consideration for other people instead of just oneself is somehow a sign of being coerced, a "sheep" if you will, of not having the ability to think for one's self. of simply obeying "the elites." I would posit that aiming to live cooperatively with others by, for example, taking their health and safety in to consideration is a better way to live than --and a better path to actual human freedom than -- to simply yell "freedom" while cheerleading a bunch of right wing tropes that come from the ACTUAL nazis, fascists and wannabe authoritarians.


avz said:
So are you saying that the powerful “elite” have a “mandate” to do anything they want? And there is nothing “little people” can do in order to change that or elevate themselves to the level of the powerful “elite”? So 99% have no chance against the 1%? Is that what you’re saying? Or you feel there will never be another Lenin to conceptually lead the 99%? So the 99% are essentially condemned to be sheep until they die?
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I did not say a single one of those things
 
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avz said:
Good. So there is plenty the people can do to elevate themselves above the “elite”. I am sure that the “elite” would want you to think otherwise.
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There’s more spin than a top. COVID doesn’t care about social status. It cares about vaccination status, overall health, resistance to infection.

An individual can of course help themselves by getting vaccinated, wearing masks, social distancing and good hygiene.
 
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avz said:
Good. So there is plenty the people can do to elevate themselves above the “elite”. I am sure that the “elite” would want you to think otherwise.
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sure there is, but refusing to wear masks or get vaccinated are not it

indeed it will require the selfish among us to learn to live cooperatively instead of reactionarily
 
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I7guy said:
There’s more spin than a top. COVID doesn’t care about social status. It cares about vaccination status, overall health, resistance to infection.

An individual can of course help themselves by getting vaccinated, wearing masks, social distancing and good hygiene.
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It was a reply to a different poster who indirectly implied that it is "normal" for a powerful people of this world not to follow the general rules and therefore average people should not make their choice based on what these powerful people do.
 
avz said:
It was a reply to a different poster who indirectly implied that it is "normal" for a powerful people of this world not to follow the general rules and therefore average people should not make their choice based on what these powerful people do.
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"indirectly implied" sounds a lot like "I've decided they meant..."

are you saying that if powerful people behave badly that you should also behave badly?
 
nathansz said:
"indirectly implied" sounds a lot like "I've decided they meant..."

are you saying that if powerful people behave badly that you should also behave badly?
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I just wanted to make sure that nobody is implying “Know your place” argument when somebody brings up the example of the behaviour of the “powerful people”.
 
avz said:
I just wanted to make sure that nobody is implying “Know your place” argument when somebody brings up the example of the behaviour of the “powerful people”.
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why would you presume anyone would do that?
 
avz said:
It is a very common manipulation which is very easy to see through.

Essentially it gives the aggressor/powerful unlimited rights to accuse/blame the victim/weak without any repercussions.
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if you think that what i’m doing you have a pretty wild imagination
 
Still unvaccinated, still at the same job. Still doing great.

Here in D.C., there is no business mandate. Thank goodness.
 
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avz said:
Hardly. It is only a common sense to assume that not everybody have your best interests in their mind. That is all there is to it.
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there’s a bit of a leap between not assuming everyone has your best interests in mind and assuming that i am a “aggressor/powerful” using “unlimited rights” to “accuse/blame” you “the victim/weak without any repercussions” over the mac rumours message board to manipulate you somehow
 
nathansz said:
there’s a bit of a leap between not assuming everyone has your best interests in mind and assuming that i am a “aggressor/powerful” using “unlimited rights” to “accuse/blame” you “the victim/weak without any repercussions” over the mac rumours message board to manipulate you somehow
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It is not about you or me, it is about understanding the concepts. It is a sign of insecurity to take things personally on the message boards especially in political topics where by definition there is no right or wrong answers.
 
avz said:
It is not about you or me, it is about understanding the concepts. It is a sign of insecurity to take things personally on the message boards especially in political topics where by definition there is no right or wrong answers.
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i’m not taking anything personally, though you began this line of vacuous “concepts” in response to me even though they had nothing to do with anything i said. i suppose you may have just chosen one of my comments to reply to with a bunch of pseudo-intellectual nonsense by chance
 
nathansz said:
i’m not taking anything personally, though you began this line of vacuous “concepts” in response to me even though they had nothing to do with anything i said. i suppose you may have just chosen one of my comments to reply to with a bunch of pseudo-intellectual nonsense by chance
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What did you mean when you replied to somebody who told you that your leaders were not wearing face masks? Didn’t you said it is ok for the leaders to behave like that?
 
avz said:
What did you mean when you replied to somebody who told you that your leaders were not wearing face masks? Didn’t you said it is ok for the leaders to behave like that?
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i never have said nor would say anything like that
 
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nathansz said:
who’s leaders?

powerful people not
doing the right thing is nothing new.

that doesn’t mean that you should also not do the right thing

i’m not sure what your logic is here.

do you think that by selfishly not being vaccinated or wearing a mask you will somehow rise to become a powerful elite yourself?
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What are you trying to say here?
Looks like you feel that you have a right to tell normal people what they should be doing and at the same time giving the exemption to the powerful people. You should start telling the powerful people what they should be doing. This was my point.
 
avz said:
What are you trying to say here?
Looks like you feel that you have a right to tell normal people what they should be doing and at the same time giving the exemption to the powerful people. You should start telling the powerful people what they should be doing. This was my point.
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i’m not giving anyone an exemption here.

the language seems quite clear to me. what it “looks like” to you is a miscomprehension on your part


i’m merely making the observation that powerful people often don’t do the right thing. i then go on to point out that just because some powerful people behave badly does not mean that everyone should behave badly
 
nathansz said:
i’m not giving anyone an exemption here.

the language seems quite clear to me. what it “looks like” to you is a miscomprehension on your part


i’m merely making the observation that powerful people often don’t do the right thing. i then go on to point out that just because some powerful people behave badly does not mean that everyone should behave badly
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Well it is not for you to decide how the people should behave and what is the right thing to do.
 
avz said:
Well it is not for you to decide how the people should behave and what is the right thing to do.
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indeed, in this case it’s the place of public health officials in consultation with epidemiologists and immunologists
 
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