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I want a Series 2 to use in the pool, but pool season is over where I live. So I may as well just continue to wear my original Apple Watch and wait for next Mother's Day for the Series 2. Who knows, I may catch a sale at Best Buy by then.
You don't have indoor pools where you live?

PS. Your original Apple Watch is fine to use in a pool.
 
I concur, AW strength is it's appeal to tech oriented buyers.

Conversely for fitness it struggles.
I grew up in a hard core sports and fitness family. Constantly Training, we focus on Running, Cycling, Swimming, Kayaking, Climbing, Triathlons and more.

My first hand Apple Watch experience was dreadful. Grossly inaccurate and fragile, AW certainly needs a lot of help before it can be considered a relevant option.

Conversely, SUUNTO makes exemplary, proven and highly regarded sports watches. Years of experience working with top athletes has made SUUNTO the smart choice.

I don't think the fitness angle on the Apple Watch is even remotely aimed at top athletes.

And grossly inaccurate for what? Distance is fine with a GPS and good enough otherwise unless you need serious precision which your day-to-day fitness dork doesn't. Nothing is super accurate on calorie counts. There are just too many factors that either have to be told to the device or guessed. The former is not what Apple wants anyone to do and the latter is good enough for a desk jockey trying to move more.

If you want super accurate heart rate monitoring, you get a chest strap model. How many people really need THAT level of accuracy though?

I'm only commenting because I think one of the biggest issues I see in the fitness world is this unnerving obsession with perfect accuracy and an obsession with numbers and data and tracking. It matters at a high level—a level so high that only a tiny fraction of the population will need it. For the vast majority, the features on the watch are, in my opinion, good enough.
 
If they included a couple more sensors it would be a bit more compelling. Skin temperature or sweat amount wouldn't be too hard, other wearables have been doing them for years. Blood preasure would be way cool if they could pull that off. They probably wont do a proper sleep until a descent ~1m range wireless charing comes along.

To be honest though its a fine product as is, Its just insanely overpriced. Stupidly so. Its $578 Australian for a mens sized Apple watch 2 base model. if it was $200 less it would do much better. Not as if they have a killer margin on the thing as is. You dont become the most valued company on the planet off small margins.
 
I don´t even understand why Apple is saying this. Here in Spain, there is still a order time of 4 weeks. There is no Apple Watch in the stores. Next shipment will be here second part or final October. So, Apple won´t sell till there are Watches.

 
I wear my black rectangle and absolutely love it. Maybe that is because I care more about my health than making a personal jewelry statement.

Oh and 75 percent of the people I work with wear their Apple Watch.

Yes, I'm sure they do NOW.
But will they in, 1, 5, 10+ years time or will the novelty wear off?

I'm not in any way Anti Smartwatch of any brand.
Regarding the Apple watch, brushing aside things like Battery life, which is just the limitation of tech in 2016, the fact they all look the same (humans are not clones) and one of my biggest issues, Apple has locked down the face of the watch, and of course the thickness. I don't mind it as a "Device"
But I only wear a watch for work to tell me the time. I'm not obsessed with body/health tracking, I use my brain and common sense to do that, not an electronic gadget ;)
If you need a device to tell you about your health then there is either a problem, or you have some medical condition that needs monitoring. Humans got this far without these things :)

I suppose there will be this small group that goes for these things, and that will stay. Just not seeing it as a widespread thing, certainly where I work only 2 people I know, occasionally wear a smartwatch. Both of those are Samsung models actually.
No one I know has an Apple watch.
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Kuo is right. There's no doubt the Watch contains a lot of cool technology, but trying to graft in a multitouch "phone on your wrist" UI just isn't optimal for non-geeks.

It's the Casio calculator-watch for a new generation. Jony needs to get back to the drawing board with this one!

Indeed, thinking back.
I recall watches with calculators, no one can argue that was not useful to have on your wrist, but other than the geeks and kids, it never really got anywhere.
Likewise a watch with a TV remote, again, that was handy, but never got anywhere.
Despite everything, people just wanted something personal to them, that looked what they wanted and told the time :)

Perhaps this will change in time.
Kids today, by the time they are teenagers, the tech may be good enough to become something many have.

Apple will have removed it's lock down on faces by then also (which they WILL) at some point.
 
OK... maybe it's not hundreds of new computers a year... but there are A LOT of new computers from many, many manufacturers. :)

Look at all the new computer announcements that are made at the various tech conferences: CES, IDF, IFA, Computex, etc. Those models are released throughout the year.

Plus all of the announcements that OEMs make at their own events... or from simply issuing a press release. And those models are released throughout the year too.

There are TONS of new computers that come out each year from the likes of HP, Dell, Lenovo, Asus, Acer, MSI, Samsung, etc. And they clearly aren't being hampered by Intel. That was my point.

I see your point about meaningless updates. Sure... Apple shouldn't release an slightly updated laptop just for the hell of it.

If suitable Skylake processors for the MBP have only recently been released... then that also means everyone else has been waiting for those processors too, right?

But there have been other Skylake processors available... since OEMs have been releasing Skylake laptops for about 10 months now. Have they been using the wrong processors this whole time?

And what about the Mac Pro? Has there really not been a suitable Xeon processor released in the last 3 years? And I believe that the latest 2013 Mac Pro was using a year old Xeon at the time. So it's even older now.


Great point about other manufacturers getting out early with Skylake. Microsoft learned a painful lesson about Skylake not being ready for prime time. I guess Apple knew something they didn't. Here's just one of many stories about the struggles with Skylake for early adopters

https://www.petri.com/skylake-windows
 
I think it will sell, but not as expected. Not so many killer features that makes you want a series two if you have an original.

This is exactly why I think Apple should be doing a 2 year cycle with the watch. I don't see most people buying one every year like the might with a phone. It's more of an wanted accessory than a need, which means people will have a harder time justifying the purchase.
 
Nah, Swatch churns out dozens of new models every year.

Apple needs to either commit to this, or accept what it is -- a niche market wearable with limited fashion appeal (at least they backed off that angle this time). At least offer a round model.


How is being the biggest smart watch maker in the world, with analysts estimating that Apple Watch sales numbers have exceeded the combined amount of all their competitors total sales , being a "niche market" player?
 
Well... There are Skylake chips appropriate for the MBP. But if Apple put those in now rather than wait 4-5 months for the upcoming (and appropriate) Kaby Lake variants, then there would be monumental moaning about Apple using "old tech" cpus. And similar moaning if Apple employed low-powered (and lower performance) KL chips available soon.

If Apple waits for the proper Kaby Lake cpu delaying until next year then there will moaning about Tim Cook putting too much time into building the new campus at the expense of MBPs. Which of course makes zero sense.

Either way, at least for the relative tiny number of tech nerds here who don't understand that, Apple can't win.

For Apple's customers as a whole, either way is fine.

You do not get the point. Apple is selling old hardware for too high a price! You can have different opinions on whether or not they should refresh their stuff. The pricing however is outrageous. If you don't have interest in updating your Macs regularly then at least update the price.
 
Yes, I'm sure they do NOW.
But will they in, 1, 5, 10+ years time or will the novelty wear off?

I'm not in any way Anti Smartwatch of any brand.
Regarding the Apple watch, brushing aside things like Battery life, which is just the limitation of tech in 2016, the fact they all look the same (humans are not clones) and one of my biggest issues, Apple has locked down the face of the watch, and of course the thickness. I don't mind it as a "Device"
But I only wear a watch for work to tell me the time. I'm not obsessed with body/health tracking, I use my brain and common sense to do that, not an electronic gadget ;)
If you need a device to tell you about your health then there is either a problem, or you have some medical condition that needs monitoring. Humans got this far without these things :)

I suppose there will be this small group that goes for these things, and that will stay. Just not seeing it as a widespread thing, certainly where I work only 2 people I know, occasionally wear a smartwatch. Both of those are Samsung models actually.
No one I know has an Apple watch.
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Indeed, thinking back.
I recall watches with calculators, no one can argue that was not useful to have on your wrist, but other than the geeks and kids, it never really got anywhere.
Likewise a watch with a TV remote, again, that was handy, but never got anywhere.
Despite everything, people just wanted something personal to them, that looked what they wanted and told the time :)

Perhaps this will change in time.
Kids today, by the time they are teenagers, the tech may be good enough to become something many have.

Apple will have removed it's lock down on faces by then also (which they WILL) at some point.


What makes you think the Apple Watch hasn't been a smashing success? No one knows how many have been sold, but analysts estimated are around 20 million, making it by far the most popular smart watch in the world exceeding the sum total of all smart watches ever sold.
 
This thing would be usable, if it would have a battery life of at least a week long. But right now it doesn't even work 24 hours without recharging.
 
Great point about other manufacturers getting out early with Skylake. Microsoft learned a painful lesson about Skylake not being ready for prime time. I guess Apple knew something they didn't. Here's just one of many stories about the struggles with Skylake for early adopters

https://www.petri.com/skylake-windows

Apple is already using Skylake in some systems. It must not all be bad.

The Late-2015 5K iMac and the Early-2016 12" Macbook use Skylake processors and chipsets.

Apparently the desktop-class Skylake Core-i7 and the power-sipping Skylake Core-M are fine. And those are the only Skylake processors Apple has used so far.

So I wouldn't say Apple knew something the other guys didn't. Apple simply hasn't used any of those affected processors in their systems.

The problems Microsoft had with the Surface Pro 4 was with the 15W Skylake chips.

But those aren't chips Apple would use in their laptops anyway.

Apple is likely to use 45W Skylake chips in the upcoming Macbook Pro. So let's hope the problems of the early Skylake chips are fixed by now.
 
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No surprise at all. It's still not compelling to own the watch. It has to be purposeful to the owner not just for fanboys. For myself because i am a triathlete i would never look at an Apple watch. It's Garmin 735xt or a Fenix 3. If i didn't do sports then I would only consider the Apple watch because im a fanboy.

Unfortunate news guys but even the iPhone 7 isn't selling any better than the iPhone 6S of last year! http://bgr.com/2016/09/26/iphone-7-sales-decline/

We are in the downward trend of growth with Apple.
I can control my tv from my watch. Control my home lighting from my watch. send texts. check email. See quick weather/clock/calendar appointments.Music. Take calls. Get notifications. Pay for groceries. Track my sleep. Use as an alarm. Keep my phone in my backpack and get turn by turn directions on my motorcycle or bike. Check in at the gym on my watch. Track my workouts. store music and leave my phone in my locker and have completely wireless feeling which is huge for the gym for me.
But yes its for fanboys that just want it for notifications and something to talk about...
 
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I bought the series 2 a couple of weeks ago and was prepared to give it a go. So far, I love it, which surprises me. I've done a good bit of running with it and am really looking forward to Strava launching the untethered version of their app.

Could I live without it, yes, did I expect to like it as much as I do, nope. Would I recommend it, yes - but only if you have the spare cash kicking around
 
I've always said that Apple need to release a fitness wearable with longer battery life to compete with Fitbit. I agree with the article - the AW is too reliant on the iPhone and has a poor battery life to boot. It's going to take years for the AW to catch up in Battery life to other trackers, at which point will be able to go a month without a recharge
 
Kuo is right. There's no doubt the Watch contains a lot of cool technology, but trying to graft in a multitouch "phone on your wrist" UI just isn't optimal for non-geeks.
It's the Casio calculator-watch for a new generation. Jony needs to get back to the drawing board with this one!
Agree. Skip the Digital Crown (= the Analog Knob)
We are used to scroll swipes at the rightside for 30 years.
 
Wearing a black rectangle, just does not have the same feeling.

This. 99% of the time it will just be a lump of plastic on your wrist. Not as good looking as even a moderately good manual watch. Not saying I wouldn't like to have an AW though... :)
 
I hate to say it but I have found myself totally underwhelmed by the Apple product lineup here lately. Macs are neglected, iPhones are simply minute upgrades, Apple Watch is well blah (can we get better design and battery life?), and the Apple TV is still way behind the Roku lineup. I own all of the above Apple products, just in case you wanted to know. Overall, I love the Apple ecosystem and how, most of the time, it works really well together. But, I see Apple falling behind the curve if something doesn't change. I'm afraid they are going to end up making the mistake Microsoft did years ago with wanting to stay the same in phones and no longer innovate or see the changing market and become irrelevant. Just like Microsoft and mobile. Venting over with, I'm just frustrated with the current Apple product lineup that is so underwhelming.
And yes this is my first post long time reader and comment reader.
Per this, the Apple ecosystem has become something that you can't leave (instead you want to enter)
That makes Apple Mgt sit on the bench in their Bentley's, in their ongoing celebration how great they are.
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Make a better watch and apps and it will sell.
There is nothing I see in the new watch to make me even remotely want to upgrade.
You should have told Tim as he looked into the camera like a elementary school teacher offering free lollipops to his class: "I can see how eager you are to get this". Well, NOT.
This tad makes me so sad.
 
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I agree over Apples watch and I've tried to buy Apples watch 1 and 2 but both times I have canceled these orders as I really don't have a use for them plus I look stupid wearing Apples watch.

The latest of Apples up dates of the iPhone and MacBooks haven't been much and I do like to update but not this time around. I'll now wait until 4k becomes standard on all Apples products.
 
A wearable like the watch must have a longer cycle for the costumer then a smartphone? At least at the price point the watch is at. If I buy a ordinary watch today I won't go out and buy a new one just because there's a new color or longer battery life due to better components (or whatever). I think people reason the same with smart watches. Heck you even get a lot of variations out of just one apple watch...
 
As a happy but not ecstatic customer I can confirm it doesn't have a killer app, and is live-without-able. The time, weather, timer and notifications are handy, but not essential.

Apply Pay on the watch is decent, and unlike being on the phone it's significantly easier than using your wallet (although still having to explain it to most shop workers is a pain), but until it means you no longer need a wallet because support is ubiquitous it's also not killer.
 
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