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They already do.

These analysts are annoying, always portraying "growth = success". Why can't success just be a healthy dose of sales and profitability rather than selling more than everybody else?

Because that's not how capitalism works. Capitalism relies on exponential growth and the fact that that's ultimately unsustainable doesn't bother (or is completely lost on) economists.
 
The Apple Watch isn't much now, and it's too expensive. However, those that have one know that it takes some time with it to appreciate its uses. Personally, I use it everyday at work. I see more and more Apple Watches every month. A lot of people comment and ask about it too.

Naysayers of the Watch really don't understand technology. The Watch is more like an iPod. It had a lot of naysayers, but Apple kept iterating and it became a big hit. A few years from now the Watch will have a cellular chip, more health features, refined design, and it will replace the iPhone for calls and messaging. I'd love to have just a Watch and an iPad.

I look at Microsoft abandoning their Band, Google abandoning Glass (right?), and I'm thankful Apple is different from these companies. They have their problems for sure. Nevertheless, Apple has confidence in that they know where technology is heading.

Visit this thread in a few years to see the naysayers eating crow.
 
It always strikes me that those predictions don't even say 'probably', but just 'may'. That makes it basically a non-info. Yes, the possibility that they are going to sell less is not ruled out.
 
I was pretty sure Apple would have provided an upgrade path for Serie 0 owners, at least for Edition buyers.
I mean, stainless steel and sapphire are made to last and gold HAS to last because of investment reasons.
Providing renewed internal parts for the most expensive models at a reasonable price would encourage buyers to jump into the iWatch train as their investment will last longer.
And also would be a great initiative for environment protection.
 
Apple should bring out a well designed fitness band, HR, sleep, steps, etc. About £99 they will sell like crazy.

Apple watch is actually a really great product but the health app and friend integration sucks! That why fitbit is still champion!

The only killer feature is Apple Pay. Apart from that you may as well have a Pebble or Fitbit Blaze. It's a shame really!
 
Kuo is restating the obvious to me. Not enough new in AW ser. 1 & 2 to justify an upgrade to most series 0 owners like me. Yet it's overkill for anyone who just wants a lightweight, sub $150 activity tracker. There are better GPS running and swimming watches if that kind of data mining is one's primary purpose.

Of course sales numbers w/ AW is anyone's guess - literally. But I don't see it as outlandish to suggest sales will be weak until Apple releases a truly groundbreaking AW, both in design and functionality -- maybe ahead of or next to the iPhone 8.
 
I can see why. I love my Apple Watch (series 0) but I'm not seeing enough to upgrade, wouldn't even bother jumping in now with that raised price point.

Who would have thought that raising the price on a non-necessary piece of equipment would result in fewer sales eh.

The watch needs more stuff.
 
Because that's not how capitalism works. Capitalism relies on exponential growth and the fact that that's ultimately unsustainable doesn't bother (or is completely lost on) economists.


I don't think that word "exponential" means what you think it does.
 
pple may sell fewer Apple Watch models in 2016 than it did in 2015,
That makes sense, I can see why as well. The folks that wanted an apple watch got one, the series 2 did not provide much of an update to entice non-apple watch owners, and no upgrade/trade in program prevented current owners from dropping another 369+ for a watch that is essentially the same.
 
Absolutely love my AW series 0. Thought I'd buy series 2 straight away, but think I'll hold out for series 3 now. This doesn't mean I love the product any less. Just have big upgrade cycle due now and I'm probably going to prioritise phone/mbp/ipad in that order.
 
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I hate to say it but I have found myself totally underwhelmed by the Apple product lineup here lately. Macs are neglected, iPhones are simply minute upgrades, Apple Watch is well blah (can we get better design and battery life?), and the Apple TV is still way behind the Roku lineup. I own all of the above Apple products, just in case you wanted to know. Overall, I love the Apple ecosystem and how, most of the time, it works really well together. But, I see Apple falling behind the curve if something doesn't change. I'm afraid they are going to end up making the mistake Microsoft did years ago with wanting to stay the same in phones and no longer innovate or see the changing market and become irrelevant. Just like Microsoft and mobile. Venting over with, I'm just frustrated with the current Apple product lineup that is so underwhelming.

And yes this is my first post long time reader and comment reader.

As an Apple user since 1984, I feel the same. Love what I have , but wondering what will be.

While I do not buy the latest immediately (I usually buy 1 generation back on eBay or refurbs only)
I find the current line up extremely weak.

It seems that right now Apple is throwing anything at the wall to see what sticks.

The watch is not going to appeal to everybody , so it's not for the masses and as a fashion thing it's too expensive. As long as it needs the iPhone it will be of no interest to Mac users. If it replaces MOST of the basic iPhone functions, maybe it has a shot.

Apple's problem is that they work in saturated markets with matured product lines and any time they even think of something or start developing it (as in word gets out), SAMSUNG or Google do it immediately.
There will be a SAMSUNG or GOOGLE car soon.

Apple needs to at least have a look at their strategy of piece meal development, i.e. launch something and then keep developing/improving it step by step by little step.
Consumers are getting smarter and no longer follow immediately. Not as extreme as me (New iphone every 3-4 years only)

They missed a huge opportunity with the aTV, not making it a competitor to Xbox and even if the latest Intel chips weren't ready for prime time they should have launched a few spec updates for MBPs.

I can't speak for iMacs and Mac Pros, as I no longer do desktops. MBP's with an OWC dock and a large monitor makes it a similar set up.

Even the rumored MBPs don't strike me as MUST have. About the only thing they will have going for it is faster processors.

If Apple dares to still put 5400 rpm hard drives into ANYTHING and wants to charge extra for SSDs or faster , we should see a million man march to Cupertino.

They have a tough road ahead and it's okay to take your sweet time to develop something, but that often quoted pipeline seems to be empty or has a blockage someplace.
 
You do not get the point. Apple is selling old hardware for too high a price! You can have different opinions on whether or not they should refresh their stuff. The pricing however is outrageous. If you don't have interest in updating your Macs regularly then at least update the price.


That will never happen. Does BMW lower their auto prices when they go 3-4 years between model updates? Or any other high-end manufacturer of goods?

Imagine the uproar there would be here if Apple lowered their prices 20% in 2015 and then jacked them back up again in 2017 when Intel's KL CPUs appropriate for the MBP are available.

Fortunately, you and others not happy with the situation have choices. Why be outraged giving a company you are unhappy with all that power? There are many computer options out there. If you are unhappy with one manufacturer, simply choose another manufacturer. That's what I would do if I was unhappy. Sure beats doing nothing and complaining.
 
Good. Get back to computers and phones and making them better than anybody.

They still do computers, quite a lot if you ask me. Smartphones and smartwatches ARE small computers in your pocket and on your wrist. I'd really like to see Apple Watch series 4 or 5.
 
The only change to the lineup I'd like to see is series one watches coming with nylon bands. I'm not a real fan of the sport bands, but I still don't want to spend another $50 for the band that I want. It'll probably push me to a series 2 watch, but I'll have to wait a bit longer to get one.

The sports bands are pretty nice if you plan using it for sports/running/workout - it's very very comfortable
 
You don't have indoor pools where you live?

PS. Your original Apple Watch is fine to use in a pool.
There's one within reasonable driving distance but it's pretty crowded and the chlorine stench is ungodly in the building. I've got a saltwater pool in my backyard and there's another public outdoor pool down the road. Those are the ones I prefer to use when the weather is right. I prefer my own pool since the chemicals we use in it are kinder to blonde hair.
 
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Apart from the Apple mystique, it's hard for me to understand why people would buy a watch that doesn't show the time, all the time.

Ok, it's rather feminine, it has a square display, these are undesirable traits but probably not deal-breakers for most. But requiring the user to flip their hand to activate the display, that I find exceptionally poor design.

My LG G is ancient and ugly, but it does the job, and in particular, the job of telling the time, all the time. And even so the battery lasts for two days.
 
Apart from the Apple mystique, it's hard for me to understand why people would buy a watch that doesn't show the time, all the time.

Ok, it's rather feminine, it has a square display, these are undesirable traits but probably not deal-breakers for most. But requiring the user to flip their hand to activate the display, that I find exceptionally poor design.

My LG G is ancient and ugly, but it does the job, and in particular, the job of telling the time, all the time. And even so the battery lasts for two days.

Why would I need my watch to show the time when I am not looking at it?
 
[/QUOTE]And yes this is my first post long time reader and comment reader.[/QUOTE]

Welcome to MR! I read for nearly 5 years before signing up!

I would say computing in general is stagnating. Basic mobile computing utility, like autos and air conditioners, is here to stay. Innovation will probably be incremental and have more to do with software creating new user experiences. As always, time will tell. Still lots of work to be done just to shore up underlying privacy and security issues related to basic cloud computing.
 
Ha. Apple stopped being a computer company with the stupid iPod. My brother think it was the iMac since that didn't have a floppy drive. Regardless, Apple's been making toys for a long time. Real people who are not pretentious use Linux or Windows.

Unfortunately, Apple had the best *nix desktop available anyplace, but decided that they wanted to make toys instead. As a professional and within reason it does not matter what Apple wants to charge for a top end *nix desktop, I would buy it because of the productivity and reliability it affords. However, Apple has decided that it wants to abandon me because computers are no longer a fad and so I am unfortunately realizing that I will have to abandon Apple for all devices. See, I was raised to dance with the one that brung you. Apple decided it was too big to care that I stuck with them during the hard times, so the minute they abandon performant Macs (and in all appearance they have already), then I will never buy another Apple device again, no matter how much inconvenience it causes. Keeping companies honest is sometimes hard and costly, but then again here in America people died for what they believed in to make a country, so I don't mind putting up with a little inconvenience for what I believe in.
 
Why would I need my watch to show the time when I am not looking at it?
When I first got my smartwatch I think it was set by default to this mode (flip hand to activate screen), and it annoyed me to the point of not using it, until I discovered that the battery impact was actually very tolerable when always-on display was enabled. That made all the difference.

As I type now, I can see the time on my watch without turning my hand. Actually the difference is huge, in everyday use. Basically having to make a specific gesture for the watch to activate is something quite unusual and, well, not watch-like. You don't do it with a classic watch, it doesn't add anything positive in terms of experience, you shouldn't have to do it with a smartwatch either.

By far, most of the time I check the time on my smartwatch, I just glance at it without activating the full display mode. The full display mode is mostly used for when I actually interact with it, e.g. a notification came or I need to start an app, set a timer etc.
 
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The way Apple has executed on the Watch just shows that they have a serious case of being tone deaf. If this assessment is true, then they've ignored that the UI sucks, the price is too high, and no one is really moved by "bands".
 
Good. Get back to computers and phones and making them better than anybody.
How about it's OK to do all? I agree, they need to up the Mac game big time but iPhones are being updated more frequently than necessary IMO.
 
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