I’ll see your moral compass and raise you a glass house.
You are lumping all of apples cases together into one pit. Conflating them all and making a making some conclusion.
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Apple to Shell Out $95 Million to Settle Siri Spying Lawsuit [Updated]
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You are lumping all of apples cases together into one pit. Conflating them all and making a making some conclusion.
Apple's greatest achievement is not any particular device or sales number, it was it's ability to give birth to the greatest sheep army ever created in history. Believing that Apple is different from any other corporation and has this magical thing called ethics that it puts before it's profits is truly at the highest sheep level.
Google does track the tar out of you. So do all the for-profit social networks to which you belong. So, do dozens of tracking and dossier companies you've never heard of.
These companies don't need to hear you talk about something to give you an ad for a product you might be discussing. You have been pigeonholed. You are associated with your memberships and friends. Search histories show your interests. There are companies which track your ownership of products. All of that information is online and available to use by ad networks.
Given what is known about you, the probability that you will get an ad for something you've talked about is actually not that low.
You really need to watch Steve Jobs comments on IBM and where they got it wrong to understand Apples achievements and how it works. Here’s one where he mentioned Content over Process and here is one where he mentions People and Products over Marketing. That one mentions monopolies, Xerox and IBM, oh and he mentions John Sculley and enjoys the ribbing.
Use the knowledge wisely and stop hating on Apple Customers.
I was quite surprised by the responses I read. If Meta had been found guilty of this, I wonder what the comments would have been like. It’s time to be honest with ourselves! All these tech companies are doing the same thing. Apple is just excellent at marketing, having us all fooled. I’m quite disappointed to hear this news, to be honest. “Your privacy matters”… right.
I've always wondered if it was confirmation bias on my part or priming because of conversations I'm having - so I'm more likely to notice those ads.
But it definitely seems more than coincidence when the ads appear so soon after discussing certain topics. So to see this all come to light is going to be interesting. I hope the evidence is made public so we can finally see what is happening behind the scenes.
But it definitely seems more than coincidence when the ads appear so soon after discussing certain topics. So to see this all come to light is going to be interesting. I hope the evidence is made public so we can finally see what is happening behind the scenes.
If you listen to actual experts on this (ie, not MacRumors members) they will tell you that privacy is far more practiced by Apple than Amazon, Meta, Google etc. Blaming this on marketing lies without any factual basis demonstrated is actually a flat earth argument strategy. It fools no one.
For what reason?
That contractors were used to review Siri recordings?
Or for unsupported allegations by lawyers in a class action lawsuit?
There has been a lot of inflammatory accusations and assumptions here but not much in the way of evidence.
Do you mean like Meta or Google? 😂 Which company has had a CEO stand down for unsubstantiated allegations?
You’re so funny 😂😂😂
It's called the past, get out of it. If Jobs was still around, you wouldn't have the big screens that everybody wants. You wouldn't have Apple Music because he didn't believe in subscriptions for music. Jobs got things wrong, he wasn't the God that blind loyalist make him to be. Once again, anytime a corporation has successfully created a blind following client base, that will defend it to no end, they have achieved Corporate Nirvana. That is what Apple has done, and to the same extent, that is what Elon has done. To those corporations, I say bravo. To the blind following client base, I say wake up.
Context.
- I don’t live on Jobs, and Apple are in a better place now (stronger) under Cook.
- Jobs had some amazing insights into Apple including some of those linked. Why deny it? He changed the landscape of tech on this planet, deny it all you want.
- I never once said he made all good decisions. On the contrary, look at sapphire glass as a big faux pas.
- Denying history is dumb. But I don’t dictate what you should think and you shouldn’t do the same with me.
- Musk has done some wonderful things in this world, but I don’t value the way he does them (personally). Like firing everyone in Twitter etc. He is very very selfish. Cant say what I really think, but I don’t deny the good work things he’s done either. Context.
- I try not to be self righteous about these things. Take what you want from that.
- When you see a single comment do you assume that that’s all I think? Maybe read the post I was referring instead of going off half-baked with your rant.
- Geesh…
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Because we all know how Steve was a living and caring boss…
So you’d keep incompetent workers (cause that is the reason Musk fired them, he thought they weren’t performing) at twitter just to be a nice guy?
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If you watched that YouTube link, he addressed this very area. So I’ll leave that for him to explain.
No evidence to support that claim about Musk means you made it up. He fired 80% of his workforce, not because they weren’t performing but because they were criticising him.
"Mr. Musk’s team was asked to comb through messages in Twitter’s internal chat platform and make a list of employees who were insubordinate, people briefed on the plan said. They also sorted through employees’ tweets, looking for criticism."
Sorry for the paywall link but it’s all I’m sending. Maybe you could send a link on your source?
As far as firing people, Apple have an extraordinary record for keeping employees, especially over COVID, when other tech companies were trashing theirs.
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If I was in the position of doing it, I’d be letting off people that don’t believe where we are headed, that’s a clear sign of underperforming, you need motivated employee.
Just like Steve Jobs did.
In 1997, when Jobs returned to Apple, one of the first things that did was to get rid of about 4,100 workers — roughly 31 percent of the company.
“At times I’ve been pretty hard about it. And a lot of times people haven’t wanted them to leave and I haven’t given them any choice.”
But I get it, you are blindly against Musk ( I’d imagine for political reasons ) but you condone everyone else who did the same thing.
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So you think Apple did nothing wrong but somehow allowed apps that weren’t in use to actively listen to the user when the device is not in use either?
That seems FAR worse than Apple fckng up with their contractors.
No, that is not what I said.
When other apps are installed you are generally asked to give permissions, like BT, Mic, Camera, Photos, etc. Once you give permission for, lets say Facebook, to access the mic who knows what Facebook does with that permission. Another example would be Whatscrap, when you install that you are asked to give permission to your contact list. Aside from what they claim to do with it, which is to let your contacts know you are on WA, what else do they do with that access? Do they feed that to FB to help with the shadow accounts they are known to have on people that are not even on FB?
If you have given an app access to anything on your device they removes Apple from the equation.
My point is, people are jumping the gun on this particular case. Apple indeed provided recordings to third parties for analysis, this was never disputed iirc. Where people are making a huge jump is that this also somehow proves that Apple sells user data, which they claim not to.
Well Apple also said that they were not slowing down Devices and yet they were found with their hand full of jam..
Apple also claims what goes in your phone stays in your phone, and this article litterally prove the opposite.
I mean what do you expect Apple to say, go public and yell to the world "we have been cheating and lying to all of you, ha ha ha".
Of course they will minimize like they did with the battery (hey it is a safety feature to prolong your device and battery, better slow down than turn off ...... but we just miscommunicated it)
Companies are aware of most issue, there have internal KB they sometimes prefer not to disclose something and fix freely instead of going public and admit the fault.
Apple is no different, they will be 100% honest ONLY when found with a smoking gun in their hand.
Or, of course, folks will maximize because it fits their narrative. Yup, any corporation will try to spin negative press, I doubt Apple is any different, nor would l expect them to be. The truth is often in the middle somewhere, in this case did Apple throttle to prevent instability or reboots with older batteries or did they throttle as a nudge to upgrade? It is my opinion that it started as a way to prevent instability and reboots.
Yup, they sure did and it was probably not marketings finest hour. To the best of my knowledge the Siri recordings thing was never denied, it just wasn't given billboard space.
I am not here claiming Apple to be angels, they aren't, they weigh options like any other corporation... looking at you butterfly keyboard! However, I stand by my opinion that if Apple is selling user data I find it nearly impossible to fathom that someone hasn't blown the whistle. In this case I would almost guarantee that if it occurred at all it was a third party app that collected and used/sold the data for targeted advertising. That is my opinion as I cannot prove it one way or another, I feel this makes much more sense that the alternative.
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Technically, they were saving the battery, which resulted in unintended side effects.
It's a marketing slogan not a statement of fact. of course, it's not really factually true, since the iphone has to communicate with the world. The slogan refers to apples policy of privacy, not underlying technical details.
Apple agree to pay out $98m but according to some on here they've done absolutely nothing wrong. Now I appreciate this is small change to Apple but big, profitable companies do not pay out this sort of money unless a. they know they have done something wrong and being. they believe that a court will impose a far, far higher penalty.
You really didn’t read my post did you? Your comments bear no relationship to what I said.
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