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I know, my wife worked in a game company and they were all shocked that Facebook apparently has an API that game devs can use that takes a surreptitious screenshot when you shake the phone. I don’t know if that’s the same kind of shake that activates the ‘undo text’ input or just any gyroscope action. I’ve not managed to find mention of this on the internet but I have no reason to doubt how scummy Meta could be.

Oh well, I hope that deactivating access to things at least does something to protect me in at least some apps though.
Ignore them as they know nothing !

Technically Apple et all can access your microphone and camera on your phon without you knowing about it even if you prevent all ads etc from accessing your microphone etc however I do not think that is likely because so it would be uncovered long ago that the privacy feature of Apple was fake and they would get sued to the Stone Age.

The only people who could and do spy on you regardless of what features are on or off are the spy agencies like the NSA or GCHQ etc.

The only way to defeat them is to go off the grid and sadly that is not easy especially when you have a job and wan to be part of modern society.

I rationalise it by saying that I am am not of any importance to them in anyway shape or form and never will be so they have more important things to do. However maybe I am being a tad naive.
 
It is called AI in that it happens automatically just as websites will show you ads for products you searched for on Google!
This is a thing so much that Apple admitted it as they showcased Safari's ability to stop it!
My silly scenario was to emphasize that Apple contractors were reviewing recordings of Siri, not a live feed.

Yes, of course Google and Meta need to monetize whatever the microphone pics up, but if the plaintiffs' lawyers believed their amended allegations in this Apple settlement they would not be taking such a meager amount.
 
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Ignore them as they know nothing !

Technically Apple et all can access your microphone and camera on your phon without you knowing about it even if you prevent all ads etc from accessing your microphone etc however I do not think that is likely because so it would be uncovered long ago that the privacy feature of Apple was fake and they would get sued to the Stone Age.

The only people who could and do spy on you regardless of what features are on or off are the spy agencies like the NSA or GCHQ etc.

The only way to defeat them is to go off the grid and sadly that is not easy especially when you have a job and wan to be part of modern society.

I rationalise it by saying that I am am not of any importance to them in anyway shape or form and never will be so they have more important things to do. However maybe I am being a tad naive.
Please stop with the conspiracy theories. People in this forum can only surmise why apple settled. (Unless someone is an apple insider and is dishing out apple rumors)
 
Always promoting the negative. How typical in these forums. Just another conspiracy theory to add to the mix of mis/disinformation that permeates tech blogs like MacRumors. If you say it enough times maybe someone will believe it, right?
Always defending Apple. typical from some of you. Just another attempt to whitewash whatever bad thing Apple does to brainwash is that Apple is perfect and makes no mistakes that permeates forums like this. If you say it enough times maybe Tim Cook will give you a reward of $1 off nay Apple product valid only on Venus on Christmas Day between the hours of 13:00 and 13:01 lol
 
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So you are absolutely, positively convinced that Apple is guilty as charged. Might you enlighten us with how you came to this conclusion? Or is the usual “It’s Apple so they are guilty as hell. Fire Tim Cook!"
So you are absolutely, positively convinced that Apple are innocent despite evidence to the contrary? Might you enlighten us with th e proof that this is so or are you going to continue to defend Apple regardless?
If Apple killed all the kids on earth and admitted it I bet you would still defend them?
 
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You are both wrong.

Look, I get that you feel like you can prove this but the fact is you can't. In your personal scenario, did you have any other apps on your phone or was it stock Apple offerings only? If you had any other apps installed then I need to call bravo sierra, especially if any were Meta, but any others are a concern.

Apple could very well be guilty, I can't prove it one way or another. Personally I think a secret this big would be difficult to contain, hell Apple can't protect product launches let along the blockbuster this would be. If they are selling user data it would be a huge story and I find it difficult to believe there wouldn't be a whistle blower either from Apple or from the purchaser of said data.

Too many other apps have been proven to be skimming data from anywhere and everywhere they can. Apple may be complicit in this or they could be helpless to stop it. If a user gives IG access to the microphone then it has access, how could Apple stop it? Same with Whatsapp, you basically sign your life away with that app.

So, try being a bit more reasonable, you cannot prove anything, neither can I. In this conversation you are speaking in absolutes as fact, when you do this don't be surprised when you are challenged for proof. I am speaking in generalities and personal opinion, which honestly is all any of us has to go on in this case.
 
The on/off functions for all these apps and functions are not manual mechanical switches. Think about that fact.

You slide a dot and when it changes color, we are supposed to believe that a single transistor out of the multi-millions in the iPhone gets turned off and nothing leaves the phone. Except the user has no verifiable way to ensure said info is NOT leaving the iPhone.

Turning all the switches off is interesting. But I wonder what the default position is when turned off. The possibility exists that the default is on and for the first few seconds of connectivity, data could flow to the cell tower or WiFi internet before the list of things to be turned off is accessed.

Really paronoid folks should get an old Western Electric rotary dial phone. No electronics and a real wire tap is necessary to listen to their call. Or even better, walk next door and talk face to face.

The premise of what you are saying is true though firstly regarding your point that an old fashioned rotary phone would not allow the spooks to spy is wrong as the calls would still go through modern exchanges where spooks can easily access.

Regarding the rest of your point I suggest that whist this is true I doubt Apple would do this as they have no need to. I can see how they have need to do what is alleged regarding Siri as that is money they earn from selling info to advertisers however in your example that you,d man no money and that is no Tim Cook's style.

More likely the people who would do such a thing are the spooks who do not need Apple to do this.

My dad worked with GCHQ for a while and trust me they like the NSA etc do not need Apple in order to spy on any of us these days.

He told me a story I can relate now as he is dead.

He was taken by GCHQ to develop a device that could be fitted to the Nimrod spy plane that would fly in counties like Afghanistan(this was after the invasion) could pick up phone calls being made on mobile phones and listen to them in real time for the onboard staff to listen to and then send on back to base to be actioned immediately instead of days alter when it is too late to stop the threat such as a Taliban phoning his commander to ask if perm mission is granted for X, Y or Z etc.

My dad said that he and his team just decided they could build a device but decided to buy one from off the shelf from an American company but that company then refused to allow the software usage (sold the hardware) unless it was installed on a rust bucket of an American plane can't remember which one, that collected the intel but not live. Meaning it would send the intel back to base and then on to NSA etc to be decide what to do about it which would be too late for a lot of use cases as I describe.

The UK government decided to scrap the Nimrod on fake grounds of money saving rather than the truth which was to appease the US and to be able to use the device I mention.

I just tell myself that I am not important enough for them to spy on but maybe that is naive.
 
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The meme doesn't say anything about people not being reported for CSAM either.

It points out the irony of Apple refusing to unlock the San Bernadino shooters iPhone because they argued at the time that any backdoors in iOS could be exploited by bad actors and then later proposing systematically scanning all iPhones for CSAM which is obviously open to abuse also.

Apple didn't go ahead with its proposed CSAM scanning, so does Apple think CSAM is ok too? :oops:
Yes however the point is that Apple did not go ahead with the CSAM so thus no conflict !
 
I've been talking to Siri since it launched and never experienced anything like this.

In fact, I've had many(!) moments where I felt it would have helped my experience if it was able and allowed to suggest products and services to me. But, as always, it's only ever able to talk about trivia-esque facts and then "search the web for that" for everything else.

The best Siri has done with pairing my data with ads is sometimes suggesting apps from businesses when I travel around, based on my location. But I feel that's about it (and it only works on occasion). It's great when it works as it saves me a little time finding the app myself. But, of course, that's something I've enabled and not happening without my permission

With that in mind, I can entertain that there's some truth to what plaintiffs are alleging. Sure, I don't know the exact details, but I know that some apps and tech corporations have been doing something like that. So why not also Apple and its advertisers? It's not impossible just because Apple is branding itself and selling many of their products on "privacy".

But I also have to employ some critical thinking and suggest that getting ads for (generic, mainstream, hugely popular) clothing and fast-food brands, like Nike and Olive Garden, will happen to most of us a couple times a year.

The same goes for surgical treatments: millions of people are researching all kinds of surgeries every day. I've never had any elective surgeries, and don't look for beauty and health topics online or in apps. But have still gotten many ads for surgeries and various clinics.

Furthermore, all websites and many apps are constantly trying to build a "profile" on users to serve them ads, even the ones that aren't logged in, haven't used the site before, etc.: With just a few interactions, your IP address, and maybe gps location, they can quite accurately make some very good guesses about who you are and what you want to buy.

Not super specific, revealing guesses that would identify any particular individual. But something like "it's March and users in this location, who are online at this hour, probably belong to this age range, who have clicked these things on the site, usually shop for these mainstream clothing brands or look up locations of these fast-food chains. Let's send some New Balance and Subway ads their way. If they don't click that then they belong to a different demographic and want Urban Armour and McDonald's".

I'm undecided.

But in the meantime, I'll keep using Siri every day, constantly berating and belittling it for its incompetency while "share audio recordings with Apple to help make Siri better" is confidently toggled on, thank you very much! 😏
You may either work for Apple or just be the rare lucky one as my experience is the opposite.

I caught Apple out many times spying on me despite the settings being turned off!

But in the meantime I will ignore Siri as It is beyond useless and never answers a damn question plus when I ask not to play any playlist not plays the same Meatloaf song I never asked for and do not have on any playlist!
 
So much ignorance on display in this thread, especially for a tech forum.

This was a problem but it isn't responsible for any of the things people are worried about or claim is happening. Data brokers, social graphs, and telemetry all work together so well it seems like a lot of things are occurring that aren't. Much of that can be stymied but not entirely prevented, and it takes a ton of work.

The real outstanding issue with regard to Apple and privacy right now is holes in their VPN stacks at least on non-Mac devices. It's absurd Lockdown Mode doesn't default to a kill-switch, or even afford the opportunity. And some of Apple's network activity (including the newly introduced RCS support) often goes around the tunnels, provably so.

Apple also needs to improve their VPN support, and build in support for simultaneous IKEv2 and WireGuard – right now you have to have an on-device "firewall" use IKEv2 generally, and that means no VPN support for WireGuard which is bad because the other protocol is not really secure anymore but it is sufficient for blocking on-device app telemetry traffic via DNS. This should be greatly expanded with a new iOS version, ideally via a fully featured firewall within the OS for those that would want to take advantage of it.

Broadly speaking Apple is the most secure device provider for consumers en masse but there are a couple flavors of Android that are significantly better and Apple should have people using those and learning from them. The "first boot" after N timeout mode they just introduced is one such feature for example.
You are mistaken if you think Apple are innocent and that no such thing as spying by big tech exists.
 
Apples privacy stance can’t be dismissed either. Your twitter post about iOS 14.6. You and I will believe what we want, old chap.
So you offer no proof that Apple are innocent despite proof they are guilty.

Care to comment on Apple getting caught out working with the NSA as per the proof that Edward Snowdon gave to Wikileaks?

No I did not think so.
 
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Clearly yoi don’t understand what the CSAM scanning was then.

How is scanning a hash of a known image database of CSAM open to abuse? Whatever. If you don’t care, you don’t know.
That is not entirely true, it would scan the photos and compare them to CSAM and that means looking at all photos on device and therefore being able to log for thongs other than CSAM.
If you don't care you do not know.
 
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You can’t see the difference between giving an entire phone to law enforcement on the basis of a fact finding expedition, in an unlocked condition, and controlled scanning of known data related to a child abuse database? Fair enough. San Bernardino was literally a test case for not needing a warrant to search for something without a specific suspicion, and having the CSAM legislation is no different to having a biosecurity dog walking around an airport, which already occurs, but with real life victims.


And people who quote Seinfield as "wise words" don’t provide much confidence in what they say.
You can not see the similarity between giving law enforcement access to a phone that had no incriminating evidence on it at all regardless of what you say and wanting blanket access to all our phones incase one of us is guilty of something?
 
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Whilst this is primarily about privacy, Apple and the law, I don’t think you should misquote me. That’s a low bar. Apple have clearly accepted, as in the CSAM case, that they hold privacy of the user in high regard. They have never sold personal data, and by default they strip privacy data from the collected data whenever it is used. The exact same when they admitted they used Siri activations for clarity testing.

With regard to you being disingenuous with you misquoting me, I feel maybe you just don’t understand. Maybe. I said it was a fact finding expedition. I also said it was "not needing a warrant to search for something without a specific suspicion", which is needed for a search warrant. I never said anything about a court order. And I don’t know if you know anything about the law, having 40 years in the field, I have some knowledge, a court order and a warrant are 2 separate things. Duh…

So when you say research, you mean google, right? But good on you for being about to use a computer.

I’m not here to change your mind, because I have been on here long enough to know that reason isn’t something that works well with people who have a closed view.

Just don’t misquote me and then go down this stupid irrelevant rabbit hole when you clearly have no knowledge in this area. It’s rubbish.
I do not think you should misquote the facts and twist other facts.

The point is that if CSAM scanning had gone ahead it would mean the next thing we know the authorities would 100% push for Apple to scan iPhones etc for whatever is asked of them and with the fascist right of Trump etc we know he would make Apple scan all iPhones etc for any mention of him in a negative light and hue would send the military in to arrest them as per his own words!
 
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