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Apple to Skip Intel Arrandale? Demands Alternative Chip?

adder7712 said:
Gimme HD 5xxx MacBook Pros!

But they need to update the GPUs on the iMac too. :confused:
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+1, nVidia just don't cut the cheese in the GPU market no more. its just a sinking ship since they p'ssed off intel but can't produce for AMD, on the other-hand their GPUs are getting heavy bombardment from ATI...

However the i7+IGP will be most welcomed on the low-end macbook!! (provided they support OpenCL)
 
designgeek said:
It's about to hit the fan...
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it probably already has and we just can't see in the room until they open the blinds to the public.


as much as i love apple products, sometimes i wonder whether if the necessity to have so much control over chipsets and such is even necessary for success and/or adding to our cost in the end with "special order" hardware components.
 
AppleMacFinder said:
Why :apple: don't want to have this crappy GPU inside the Arrandale?
Because it will reduce the prices!!! ;) And we don't need it. Just NVidia. :rolleyes:

R e m e m b e r . . .

A T I & A M D & I n t e l G P U & W i n d o w s s u c k s !
I n t e l C P U & N V i d i a & M a c & :apple: r u l e s !
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Actually ATI is very much on top of the market right now, once again (first time since the Radeon 9700 Pro). nVidia cards have always had serious quality issues, and that's not even mentioning the recent 8x00 series fiasco. ATI has always had better quality video. Now they have better performance again.

Anyway, ISO G6 (Power6) and ATI 5650s in the new MBPs =P
 
MacSince1990 said:
Actually ATI is very much on top of the market right now, once again (first time since the Radeon 9700 Pro). nVidia cards have always had serious quality issues, and that's not even mentioning the recent 8x00 series fiasco. ATI has always had better quality video. Now they have better performance again.

Anyway, ISO G6 (Power6) and ATI 5650s in the new MBPs =P
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Put any 5-series card in the MBPs and I'll be happy.
 
cababah said:
Intel would be wise to conform to Apple's request. The MBPs sell like hotcakes. I can definitely see a future 13" MBP having two options (much like the 15") with an integrated and one with a discrete graphics card.
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This doesn't make sense. Intel pretty much owns the CPU market. AMD doesn't have the fab capability nor the performance to keep up. Where is Apple going to go? Intel could just say take it or leave it. It isn't like Apple is going to start using AMD chips overnight...
 
TheScavenger said:
Put any 5-series card in the MBPs and I'll be happy.
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Yeah... well maybe not a 5400 =P Their only option for a MBP is a 56xx (5650), as they've used a midrange card in their laptops for the last 10 years... PowerBook G3s and onwards.

Plus a 58xx would melt the damn thing lol
 
Where is a list of every name for a given technology, along with what it means?

Arrandale, Clarksfield, etc?

Where's a master list?
 
MacSince1990 said:
Actually ATI is very much on top of the market right now, once again (first time since the Radeon 9700 Pro). nVidia cards have always had serious quality issues, and that's not even mentioning the recent 8x00 series fiasco. ATI has always had better quality video. Now they have better performance again.

Anyway, ISO G6 (Power6) and ATI 5650s in the new MBPs =P
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I'll mention the 8x00 fiasco. I've had my logic board replaced once because of problems with the damn 8600 chip and my "new logic board" has about 2 months on it a looks like it's going too - all sorts of graphics problems, freezes etc....

<never mind I'm an idiot>Oh and my Xbox360 just died because of - you guessed it, the Nvidia GPU</never mind I'm an idiot>.

I'm avoiding Nvidia wherever I can right now.
 
diamond.g said:
This doesn't make sense. Intel pretty much owns the CPU market. AMD doesn't have the fab capability nor the performance to keep up. Where is Apple going to go? Intel could just say take it or leave it. It isn't like Apple is going to start using AMD chips overnight...
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Plus the fact that Apple would have to retool its OS to run natively on AMD processors much less take advantage of its specialized capabilities, lol.. and plus AMD CPUs, are, at the moment, slower. And lets not even get started on a Xeon vs. Opteron... =x
 
Shintocam said:
I'll mention the X=8x00 fiasco. I've had my logic board replaced once because of problems with the damn 8600 chip and my "new logic board" has about 2 months on it a looks like it's going too - all sorts of graphics problems, freezes etc....

Oh and my Xbox360 just died because of - you guessed it, the Nvidia GPU.

I'm avoiding Nvidia wherever I can right now.
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Um, the PS3 uses Nvdia GPU, the 360 uses an ATI GPU.
 
Shintocam said:
I'll mention the 8x00 fiasco. I've had my logic board replaced once because of problems with the damn 8600 chip and my "new logic board" has about 2 months on it a looks like it's going too - all sorts of graphics problems, freezes etc....

Oh and my Xbox360 just died because of - you guessed it, the Nvidia GPU.

I'm avoiding Nvidia wherever I can right now.
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Heh... that sucks. I've always used ATI since the ATI Rage Pro :D

edit: diamond g has a point though :)
 
TheScavenger said:
Because the 820qm is 45w and I don't see a higher clocked 920qm having a lower TDP even with a 32nm process. Just my 2 cents. I hope I'm wrong though :D
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I'm not an expert, but I do think they might be able to get the 2 Ghz 920XM down from 55W on 45nm to 35W on 32nm.
The die would be almost half the size than it is now.
 
rme said:
I'm not an expert, but I do think they might be able to get the 2 Ghz 920XM down from 55W on 45nm to 35W on 32nm.
The die would be almost half the size than it is now.
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I am an expert and i don't think so. At best wire cap would be cut in "almost half," but gate cap is reduced by much less. Since voltage won't change, the power reduction would be much smaller than you think.
 
all this hoopla......

As long as there is a general overall performance increase in the next MBP revision we will be better off than we are now... A very small percentage of people really need a laptop that is faster than a 3Ghz Core 2 Duo and Nvidia 9600M that is currently available. Whether we see Apple use Arrandale in its current form or an improved variant we will be better off, at least that is what I assume and hope for.
 
Let's not forget that Apple is 90% of the $1000 plus laptop market.

Put brutally simply - That means there is a very high probability that 90% of the high end chips sold in the first year of a new cycle are going to Apple.

You bet they have some say in the end product and that Apple and Intel have a fantastic mutually profitable collaborative relationship.
 
cmaier said:
I am an expert and i don't think so. At best wire cap would be cut in "almost half," but gate cap is reduced by much less. Since voltage won't change, the power reduction would be much smaller than you think.
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I figured they'd be able to lower the voltage too. ;)
Thanks for the info.
 
I'm currently on to a MBP 15" and I read macrumors every day. Today's updates weren' very good news.

I'll have to wait to see what apple does with all this.

Has someone thought about considering the HP Envy? I just find two things where the MBP beats it (for me), which are battery life and OSX. All the rest is >= to MBP. Plus, price is considerably lower. I really don't know what to do. I still prefer MBP though, but we'll have to se what they come up with in the next 2 months...
 
nVidia exiting chip business?

Now wait, this article says NVIDIA is 'exiting the chip business'. Don't they mean the 'integrated graphics chip business'?.

I though NVIDIA was still very much in the discreet graphics chip business.

Can someone clarify?
 
Little Endian said:
As long as there is a general overall performance increase in the next MBP revision we will be better off than we are now... A very small percentage of people really need a laptop that is faster than a 3Ghz Core 2 Duo and Nvidia 9600M that is currently available. Whether we see Apple use Arrandale in its current form or an improved variant we will be better off, at least that is what I assume and hope for.
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well folks like me who do audio stuff and some of my mates who does Finalcut stuff are the only people I know that employs an Apple computer. I 100% agree with you that only a dead small margin of folks needs anything more than 2 cores in their machines, but for us semi-pros + geeks, we always need to stay future-proof and ahead...

as for the rest of the population, I don't see why the average joe will need to pay the additional premium for a mac at all, seeing W7 is fantastic on my desktop...
 
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