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Apple to Stop Including EarPods With Every iPhone Sold in France From Next Week

chenks said:
well you might not be able to use your existing plug if it doesn't have a USC-C connector on it.

the iphone currently ships with a lightning to USB-C port, and the vast majority of charging plugs out there will have a USB-A connector.

so you either need to by a lightning to USB-A cable, or a power plug with a USB-C connector.

and Apple know this, so they are then able to milk more money out of the new iphone owner.
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Coming at it from the other angle, you want them to include the bits that a brand new iPhone user would need, with every iPhone. So they’re helpful for the new users, and a waste for many of the existing users – and a lot of the people buying iPhones are current iPhone users.

I’d rather see them ship just the iPhone and maybe a cable in the box, and have all the rest of the accessories be offered à la carte when you check out – the iPhone equivalent of “do you want fries with that?” Then everyone can get what they actually need, and nobody goes home with a bunch of extra bits that’ll just get tossed in a drawer.
 
mrochester said:
Is there any evidence they are? I suspect they are making less.
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you were the one that made the original counter that they "can" make less, so are you just guessing or is there any evidence to back up you claim?

i said i "suspect", so it's only a suspicion, and was said to counter your original claim
 
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chenks said:
you were the one that made the original counter that they "can" make less, so are you just guessing or is there any evidence to back up you claim?

i said i "suspect", so it's only a suspicion, and was said to counter your original claim
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I’m just guessing, same as you.
 
CarlJ said:
Coming at it from the other angle, you want them to include the bits that a brand new iPhone user would need, with every iPhone. So they’re helpful for the new users, and a waste for many of the existing users – and a lot of the people buying iPhones are current iPhone users.

I’d rather see them ship just the iPhone and maybe a cable in the box, and have all the rest of the accessories be offered à la carte when you check out – the iPhone equivalent of “do you want fries with that?” Then everyone can get what they actually need, and nobody goes home with a bunch of extra bits that’ll just get tossed in a drawer.
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read my following posts.

i said it should be supplied to those that require it (at the point of sale they can make such a request, which seems to match what you say in your second paragraph, the caveat being that those that do require shouldn't have to pay extra to get them, they should be included in the price.

of course, if apple provided a lighting to USB-A cable (or a USB-C to USB-A adaptor) in the box then it would be much less of a problem, as it's likely there will be a USB-A charging plug somewhere in the house, certainly more likely than a USB-C plug in the house.
 
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mrochester said:
None of us here have figures to prove any of our points. We are all basing our opinions on the limited information we have.
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but when you make a post such as https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...n-france-from-next-week.2332014/post-30793753

it's being put across as fact, when in reality it isn't. you have no idea what someone may or may not have in the house

it's a bit rich to buy a phone at a considerable cost, only to be told that, actually, if you want to charge said phone you'll need to pony up another £20 to be able to charge it.
 
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mrochester said:
You've chosen to read it as fact. For me it's blindingly obvious that's the case without needing facts and figures to prove it.
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only because the words you used portayed it as fact.

if you had prefaced it "in my opinion" then that would portrayed it as just that, your opinion, however you didn't.
 
chenks said:
read my following posts.

i said it should be supplied to those that require it (at the point of sale they can make such a request, which seems to match what you say in your second paragraph, the caveat being that those that do require shouldn't have to pay extra to get them, they should be included in the price.
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Included in the price might be nice, but I don’t have a problem with Apple charging for them either.

I think it’d be good all around if Apple offered that selection of accessories (basic connectivity stuff like power cables, 3.5mm adapter cables, power bricks, wired ear buds) at checkout time at, say, half off – folks that already had the bits they need could easily ignore the row of checkboxes, and it wouldn't add anything to the cost of their phone, while new users could easily get just what they need, and Apple would possibly make a little extra, because many would find it easier to check the boxes for a power brick and cable, say, than to have to buy a 3rd party one separately.
 
chenks said:
only because the words you used portayed it as fact.

if you had prefaced it "in my opinion" then that would portrayed it as just that, your opinion, however you didn't.
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I’d like to think most readers on here would be able to discern opinion from fact without having to be explicitly told. Obviously not.
 
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CarlJ said:
Included in the price might be nice, but I don’t have a problem with Apple charging for them either.

I think it’d be good all around if Apple offered that selection of accessories (basic connectivity stuff like power cables, 3.5mm adapter cables, power bricks, wired ear buds) at checkout time at, say, half off – folks that already had the bits they need could easily ignore the row of checkboxes, and it wouldn't add anything to the cost of their phone, while new users could easily get just what they need, and Apple would possibly make a little extra, because many would find it easier to check the boxes for a power brick and cable, say, than to have to buy a 3rd party one separately.
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i'm trying to recall what was presented to me on the apple store website checkout when i purchased the 12 Pro back in May last year. i can't remember if i was presented with accessories options or not.

what i do remember though is that, as i had bought online but arranged to collect at the physical apple store, when i collected it the apple employee didn't say "do you need a power charger? as there isn't one included" or anything like that.

so apple did, at least, have 1 opportunity with me to prompt about the items that aren't in the box but failed to take that opportunity.

of course, i already knew what wasn't in the box anyway.

later in the year though, we did have to buy another USB-C charger because the apple watch cable is USB-C as well now (previous version was USB-A). previous apple watch was using USB-A charging plug, which is now of no use for any device. we bought a U-Green dual USB-C plug which was only slightly more expensive than the apple single USB-C offering.
 
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chenks said:
i'm trying to recall what was presented to me on the apple store website checkout when i purchased the 12 Pro back in May last year. i can't remember if i was presented with accessories options or not.

what i do remember though is that, as i had bought online but arranged to collect at the physical apple store, when i collected it the apple employee didn't say "do you need a power charger? as there isn't one included" or anything like that.

so apple did, at least, have 1 opportunity with me to prompt about the items that aren't in the box but failed to take that opportunity.

of course, i already knew what wasn't in the box anyway.

later in the year though, we did have to buy another USB-C charger because the apple watch cable is USB-C as well now (previous version was USB-A). previous apple watch was using USB-A charging plug, which is now of no use for any device. we bought a U-Green dual USB-C plug which was only slightly more expensive than the apple single USB-C offering.
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Silly Apple missing the opportunity to force you to buy a charging brick!
 
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chenks said:
and is there any evidence that they are?
i suspect they aren't, because they know people will need to buy them, and it makes for good profit margins.

but you chose to comment on one very small part of my post, and ignored the rest?
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Apple store sells very few headphones. Would seem at odds with your claim.
 
mrochester said:
Why wouldn’t you use your existing cable, plug and headphones?
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1. Many people will be new to iPhone (EVERYONE is at some point).
2. Headphones and plugs certainly don't last forever, I've had numerous 'die' over the years
3. It's nice to have spare plugs especially so you don't have to take one plug around with your everywhere.
 
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So has the risk to developing brains been reduced/eliminated? If not, seems the French are considering the environment more important than developing brains.
 
I am perfectly fine with Apple taking all of this stuff out of the box, it really is wasteful for the majority of their customers. I personally have a drawer with about 10 pairs of Earpods, a bunch of old power adapters, and a bunch of cables sitting unused.

What they should have probably done is something like what Verizon already does when you buy a phone from them (and they have for a while). When you add the phone to your cart it pops up with a bunch of suggested accessories asking if you want to buy them too. Chargers, wireless chargers, cables, headphones, etc. Most of the time they offer a nice discount on them if you purchase at the same time as you are buying the phone. Apple could have done the same, buy the phone get the Earpods, Lightning cable, charger for 25-50% off. Buy Airpods, Beats, etc. and maybe get 10-25% off, or something like that. This could also give people the option of buying different length cables, or braided cables, etc.

I still think they should do something similar with the watch too. Why do they force you to choose from a limited choice of band/case options. Why not just package the watch by itself in a tiny little box for $50-75 less, then give you the option to choose whatever band you want, whatever charger you want separately. This would cut down on the different SKU's by a large amount since they already sell all the bands separately. And it allows people that are upgrading to skip out on buying a new charger and bands if they want to just keep using what they already have.
 
rodedwards said:
Just another way to make money, under the pretence of saving the environment. So we now have to order a new cable, a new plug and a new pair of ear phones - three different boxes, packaged in another box and delivered by another van on another occasion. How does that save the environment?!
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You know you already have a charger, so use that one.
 
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rodedwards said:
Just another way to make money, under the pretence of saving the environment. So we now have to order a new cable, a new plug and a new pair of ear phones - three different boxes, packaged in another box and delivered by another van on another occasion. How does that save the environment?!
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Just another way to save the environment. My guess is apple has done its homework and found iPhone sales go to previous customers with chargers and cables and EarPods. First time iPhone buyers can buy what they want in terms chargers and cables and a headset. Don’t even have to buy them from apple thus depriving them of the revenue.
 
ignatius345 said:
Great news: you won’t have to buy another charger next time.
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I shouldn't have to buy a charger to begin with.

Its just another high margin accessory Apple wants to sell me instead of provide with the purchase.

Its like selling a pair of shoes but don't include laces... you surely have shoe laces, don't you? just use those? Oh and by the way we also sell shoe laces at premium margins.

Oh great news, you won't have to buy another set of shoe laces next time.....
 
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