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Apple to Unveil 13-inch M2 MacBook Pro With Unchanged Design Next Month, Claims Original MacBook Pro 'Notch' Leaker

staypuftforums said:
As someone who has a 3 month old computer with a failing fan, my next computer will most likely be fanless.
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Sounds like you had bad luck! But if it's only 3 months old, just get it fixed under guarantee.

It's probably a one-off. I've owned probably 20 computers and never had a single fan fail in over 30 years' use. I certainly don't lose any sleep over potential fan failure....about the same amount as I worry about being hit by a meteorite :)
 
I wonder if anyone else finds it funny that the MacBook Air is the one Mac that .... gets no air. Because no fan, you know.
 
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jeffpeng said:
I wonder if anyone else finds it funny that the MacBook Air is the one Mac that .... gets no air. Because no fan, you know.
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Sounds like a "Dad-joke" :)

At the time the MBA launched is really was pretty revolutionary, and "light as Air" was a great selling point.

Maybe the next model could be the "Helium", which is of course, lighter than Air.
 
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sirozha said:
The TouchBar is useful for certain applications. For musicians it’s amazing.

There was no reason to jam the TouchBar down everyone’s throat, but there is also no reason to deny everyone an ARM-based MacBook equipped with a TouchBar. There needs to be a musician-centric MacBook that offers a TouchBar, and people should be able to make a choice based on what jobs they do and what tools they prefer to do their jobs.
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Although I sympathise with touchbar, CTO chassis will not happen, neither Apple will release “refurbished” MacBook updated with new silicon.
 
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boss.king said:
Why wouldn’t it be true? Apple does this with almost every other product line they have (Apple Watch SE, iPhone SE, the home button iPad, etc). Once they have a new design, they make the old design the lower tier, lower priced model.
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However the more recent internals are usually released first with the new design, otherwise it’d be a awkward mess.
 
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Mr.PT said:
However the more recent internals are usually released first with the new design, otherwise it’d be a awkward mess.
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Sure, but it takes time to get good yields for the more complex chips (Pro/Max). It’s the same way Intel and AMD roll out their chips—basic first, more powerful later.
 
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abowlby said:
Damn. I really wanted ProMo on this machine. It’s looking more and more like I’m going to have to migrate my workflow to iPadOS.
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You might reconsider that. Just wait for the coming Air. IPadOS is oddly counter intuitive for MacOS users.
 
boss.king said:
Sure, but it takes time to get good yields for the more complex chips (Pro/Max). It’s the same way Intel and AMD roll out their chips—basic first, more powerful later.
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Been waiting almost 3 and expecting 4 months for my 16” M1max!? So this time around, maybe the chip shortage issue, and the recent intel release might push Apple to go forward with M2 instead, as currently there’s no stock and production has been very “constrained”. I feel it would also be strange for general public to get Machines with M1 albeit pro/max released after M2. So hopefully we will see spring M2 in 13”MacBook and Air; Summer iMacPro and Mini Pro M2max; Fall M2”ultra” MacPro. The AS 2 year transition doesn’t presume M1 offer on all lineup.
My wishful thinking.
 
jonnysods said:
Seems a bit premature for the M2 series to come out when the whole lineup isn't updated yet.
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Transition doesn’t imply M1 extended to whole lineup, some might argue that some of the machines to be updated: iMac Pro; Mac Pro and even Mini Pro, should already be M2 albeit Pro/max/“ultra” in order to keep cutting edge.
 
torontotim said:
Based on all of that, you should buy a used 16" TouchBar MacBook Pro. Great value and you get your touchbar.

I love the fact Apple releases new versions of their devices every year. I always buy at least 2-3 generations back to save 50-70%. I'm using an XS Max iPhone at the moment.

The only exception is my 14" MacBook Pro. I had bought a used 2015 15" Retina MBP in 2017, and it died 2 years later. In 2019 I couldn't justify buying a new MacBook given the crappy design, and that crappy design was keeping the 2015 model values high. I didn't want to invest in another 2015 model, so I waited 2 years for the new form factor.

Now, if you buy brand new and actually keep your device in perfect condition, keep all the packaging etc., you can sell it every 2-3 years and be about the same TCO as buying a 2-3 year old device and using it for another 2-3 years. In most cases the cost is about the same.

But the risk of buying a $1000+ iPhone and dropping/losing it keeps me on a cheap XS Max. My 14" MacBook is much less likely to be damaged or lost accidentally, so I didn't mind dropping the cash on it knowing the industrial design will last the next 5-6 years. I'll sell it in the last year or two perhaps of this run and bridge on an older used machine till the next major redesign.
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There’s only a “slight” change on your assumptions. Nowadays outside Nort America, Apple is enforcing 5months!? Waiting time for some CTO MBP. Considering the usual 12/18 months refresh cycle that will be equivalent 1/2 to 1/3 of “brand new” device cycle. Insanely very unappealing…
 
Mr.PT said:
Been waiting almost 3 and expecting 4 months for my 16” M1max!? So this time around, maybe the chip shortage issue, and the recent intel release might push Apple to go forward with M2 instead, as currently there’s no stock and production has been very “constrained”. I feel it would also be strange for general public to get Machines with M1 albeit pro/max released after M2. So hopefully we will see spring M2 in 13”MacBook and Air; Summer iMacPro and Mini Pro M2max; Fall M2”ultra” MacPro. The AS 2 year transition doesn’t presume M1 offer on all lineup.
My wishful thinking.
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I would be somewhat surprised to see any M2 machines next month, but it might happen! I would expect an M1 Pro/Max Mac Mini and maybe a new iMac 27" around the middle of the year, or possibly even the other way round.

I don't expect M2 Pro/Max this year. Maybe the first half of 2023, but quite possibly in towards the end of 2023.

I like to temper my expectations, so I would only be pleasantly surprised if things move quicker than this. In any case, I've already jumped on a new MBP and have an M1 Mini so won't be in the market for anything new for a couple of years.

Nevertheless, it will still be interesting to see how Apple Silicon develops with the M2 and larger variants of the M1 for the iMac Pro (possibly) and Mac Pro.
 
acblue94 said:
What about the people that like the Touch Bar like me. There are already pro models without the Touch Bar. Buy those models.
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ikr? why would those that hate the Touch Bar want it gone, when they have a bunch of options without the Touch Bar? will buy this on release if true!
 
So... if this is true, the M2 will be a step up from the M1, but still far less powerful than the M1 Pro and Max?
 
contacos said:
I don't get the logic from a customer point of view. I would expect the MacBook Pro line to come with at least a "Pro" chip and the "non-Pro" line with a regular M chip. Why would you release an "entry" MBP with a new M2 chip only to release a MacBook Air with an M2 later this year. Wouldn't that make it the "entry" model for those who do not need the "Pro" features? seems like a redundant device. In fact, I would throw out that stupid "Air" naming and just call the redesigned one a "MacBook"

MacBook (redesigned "Air") with M2
MacBook Pro 14inch / 16inch with M. Pro / Max
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Well, it is a rumor afterall. For all we know, Apple would just do what you suggested. Made more sense. Cleaner lineup, less confusion, and Apple can move on from supporting the touchbar sooner.

Then again, maybe they have so many components for the touchbar that they have to use them up (Apple tends to pre-order components, and some contracts would penalize you if you don't buy as many as you promised). Who knows. :D
 
Aggedor said:
So... if this is true, the M2 will be a step up from the M1, but still far less powerful than the M1 Pro and Max?
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It will be like the An and AnX chips.
M2 will have improved single cores vs M1 Pro/Max, but overall, M1 Pro/Max will beat M2 in GPU (a ton more GPU cores), multi performance-cores, and the encoding engine.
 
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hatchettjack said:
they don't really! but to be in the cool club on macrumors you have to pretend to despise it! I see a bunch of buyers remorse in here!
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I don't really get it either. I don't see myself using the function keys that often, but the touch bar actually presented something useful if properly supported.

That being said ..... most apps never properly supported it since it was a thing a few devices had but most did not, and hence there never was the need to properly support it across the whole spectrum. Apple would have had to go all in on it to make it work, but since they kept it optional it didn't.

I still think the touch bar is or better was far ahead of its time in what it tried to achieve and was one of the few actual innovations Apple brought to computers in quite some time, and something to actually differentiate Macs from PCs. They just didn't commit to it enough to make it work - and so, sadly, it didn't.

I guess we'll see it return once the technology exists to magically materialize keys of arbitrary sizes on a keyboard and display things on them. ?
 
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Fomalhaut said:
Sounds like a "Dad-joke" :)

At the time the MBA launched is really was pretty revolutionary, and "light as Air" was a great selling point.

Maybe the next model could be the "Helium", which is of course, lighter than Air.
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And sounds weird
 
The 13" MacBook Pro still makes sense. For those that buy Mac notebooks for business, it's the popular choice in the corporate world. Pricing isn't all that dissimilar to a premium priced ThinkPad, Dell Latitude etc.

There's no way the new 14" & 16" will be standard corporate offerings to the majority of business users.
 
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