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The TouchBar is useful for certain applications. For musicians it’s amazing.

There was no reason to jam the TouchBar down everyone’s throat, but there is also no reason to deny everyone an ARM-based MacBook equipped with a TouchBar. There needs to be a musician-centric MacBook that offers a TouchBar, and people should be able to make a choice based on what jobs they do and what tools they prefer to do their jobs.
One solution would be to put a touchbar on an external Magic keyboard so anyone could have a touchbar on any Mac if they wanted. The trouble is the market is probably too small for Apple to address.
 
M2 MacBook Pro is not good to me. No design change is a huge problem and I think there is a huge gap between MacBook Air and 14 inch MBP because of M1,2 MBP.
 
I still think it’s too early for the M2, that is supposed to be Apples move to 3 NM. But at the same time, there is the awkward part of not launching the Mac Pro before the year is out. It would just be strange to launch a Mac Pro with a souped up M1 Pro Max and then have it look old by the fall with MacBook Air and entry level MacBook Pro with an M2. It would be even worse from a marketing perspective if they launch M2 on entry level laptops then launch the Mac Pro and iMac Pro with M1 Pro/Max chips in June.

Unless the strategy is 3 NM here on out, but the reality is 3NM and component shortage makes it expensive. At the same time I just think Apple wants use the same release strategy again.

It’s confusing, just have to wait I guess.

The M2 isn't going to be 3nm, not even the A16 will be 3nm it will be 4nm. So the M2 will either be 5nm like the A15 (most likely) or 4nm like the A16.
 
The Touch Bar isn’t free! It adds to Apple’s costs to put it in there. They used to sell a non-touchbar Pro 13” for $200 or more cheaper than the Touch Bar model!

On the other hand, maybe they’ve got a warehouse in China full of millions of Touch Bar components and they’re desperate to use them up somehow! ?



If that’s true, why even bother putting the new fancy M2 in it?

probably because otherwise the new Macbook Air with M2 (the redesign coming this year) would outperform it.
 
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One solution would be to put a touchbar on an external Magic keyboard so anyone could have a touchbar on any Mac if they wanted.
Except there's the power problem for people who prefer a wireless keyboard.

...an iOS App would be easier (not every Mac user has an iPad or iPhone, but I'd imagine it is pretty common and would work for a lot of people),
 
Why would Apple debut a new processor (M2) in an old system (13" MBP)?
Apple' debuted a new processor (M1) in 3 old systems: MBA, 13" MBP, and Mac mini. The iPhone SE coming out next month will be based on the old iPhone 8 design and will supposedly have a new processor (A15). So it isn't out of the ordinary for Apple to do.
 
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I still think it’s too early for the M2, that is supposed to be Apples move to 3 NM
Incorrect. TSMC is set to begin mass production of 3nm late this Fall and will begin shipping to customers early 2023. My guess is we'll see Apple's products using processors with this technology Fall 2023 at the earliest.

 
I don’t want them to be called ‘MacBook’ simply. It is a cursed name.
Why is that?
The older poly carbonate MacBooks were Apples most popular computer and made them a lot of money for The better part of a decade, and the main thing people complained about with the 12 inch was… Intel.
Outside of that the design, screen, lightness, simplicity, even the keyboard were praised by many.
If Apple made a 12 inch MacBook with an M1 and a better keyboard it would fly off the shelves
 
I like it too, but I am afraid it is dead.
If Apple really wants to brink back the touch bar - which, IMO is reasonable because they don't do touch screens (on macs), then they should re-invent the touch bar in a much more user friendly track pad. Sooo much more real-estate, and Apple is smart enough to figure out a good UX.
 
Wish the 13inch Macbook pro would have a design refresh like the 14/16inch.
The £1899 is just to expensive for my budget,wish there was a sub £1500 version of the new design MacBook Pro’, oh well I live in hope.

Might have to consider the MacBook Air refresh instead.. ?
It will eventually, just like all MacBook redesigns it slowly spreads.
Just look at the Retina redesign, introduced on the 15 inch in June 2012 at $2199, then the 13 inch that October at $1699, but the older design was still around at $1199 and even got an upgraded processor.
Then in October 2013, they introduced a 13 inch retina at $1299, so it basically became the default.
I expect a very similar trajectory here.
New design introduced in Oct 2021 at $1999, old design updated at $1299, but we’ll eventually see it trickle down, probably next year.
 
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I agree the accouncement of an M2 will be confusing, as you now need to “explain“ that M1 Pro is faster than M2.
Next question: when is M2 Pro out then?
Buying a new M1 Pro or Max based Mac feels “old tech“ if an M2 is also on the shelves. Especially as everyone expects an M2 Pro / Max then soon…

The trouble is that Apple is actively naming these M1, M2, M3 etc.
For iPad, iPhone you just state the type of iPad, and you need to be a nerd to know which CPU is inside.

This is not similar to i3, i5, i7, i9 of Intel. This ”naming” is more clear as you will be buying a computer with either one of these of the same generation. Everyone “gets” that i9 is better than i7 etc.

We’ll see. I just wonder if they will keep M1 MacBook Air around for Education, and drop that price significanty.
 
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So much for this source’s track record… Apple will not trumpet that their latest-and-greatest chip (a la Spinal Tap, 2 is one higher than 1) is inferior to the previous by introducing it in a yesterday’s-leftovers chassis. A new Air, yes, because that’s more efficiency-focused and thus avoids multicore comparisons between the base M2 and M1 Pro/Max, but using the old Pro chassis strains credulity hard.
 
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I still think it’s too early for the M2, that is supposed to be Apples move to 3 NM. But at the same time, there is the awkward part of not launching the Mac Pro before the year is out. It would just be strange to launch a Mac Pro with a souped up M1 Pro Max and then have it look old by the fall with MacBook Air and entry level MacBook Pro with an M2. It would be even worse from a marketing perspective if they launch M2 on entry level laptops then launch the Mac Pro and iMac Pro with M1 Pro/Max chips in June.

Unless the strategy is 3 NM here on out, but the reality is 3NM and component shortage makes it expensive. At the same time I just think Apple wants use the same release strategy again.

It’s confusing, just have to wait I guess.
M2 has never been rumored to be 3NM.
 
Next question: when is M2 Pro out then?
Well, given that the M1 was announced in November 2020, and the M2 is rumored to be announced in March 2022, it’s probably most likely that the pro chips will follow a similar schedule.
So… spring 2023
 
Makes more sense to improve upon the MBA M1. Add 10CPU+16GPU and 16GB DRAM with active cooling for $1300.
 
Strange that they can't just take out the Touch Bar. After all they used to make a 13" Pro without it. Having real function keys would make it more appealing for a lot of Pro buyers.

Also seems strange to still be making just one model with a Touch Bar, when everything else has moved on?
i wished they made physical function keys but each have a display that changes
 
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