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People are acting so concerned about this, but the truth is that Apple has done this time and time again, even under Steve.
In April 2010, when they updated the MacBook pros to the first generation Core I5 and I7, they also updated the low end 13 inch MacBook Pro, but kept it on the old Core 2 Duo at the same price.
In 2012, they introduced the MacBook Pro retina, but also gave the old, spinning hard drive packing, optical disc slot MBP a speck bump. Despite the fact that the MacBook Air was cheaper, had an SSD and was all around a better value.
This actually matches up completely with what they have done in the past.
It’ll be the old design of the MacBook Pro with a new processor. It’ll probably be around for about a year, until slowly we see them bring the newer 14 inch design down the line.
I wouldn’t recommend anyone purchase it, but I do think that it’s real
 
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The M2 Air will have a different design, apparently (less "pro" looking?), so there will be more differentiation between them.
Actually more pro looking, because now pro means "notch". The Air will have a notch as well.
 
Let me get this straight. In 2022, the only way I can buy a MacBook Pro with the Touch Bar -- "revolutionary" and "groundbreaking" as Apple called it when it unveiled it in 2016 -- is to buy the basic, hanger-on, carryover MacBook Pro?
 
It will be interesting to see how the M2 performs compared to the M1/pro/max and how they brand it. You’d imagine the m2 will be faster at single core stuff than the M1 but that would make no sense as it means it would also beat the m1pro at that. Guess we shall find out! M3 will probably be the next big release anyway.
 
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1 week left of my return window for M1 Air. I LOVE this machine, but do you think there’s a chance they will release a M2 Air at this event?
 
Also I believe, and hope, that they name it just MacBook.
That would make the most sense.
MacBook Air: thin, light, colorful, fun, bright
MacBook Pro: big, thick, heavy, powerful, expensive.
MacBook: somewhere in the middle. The old design, not colorful, kind of boring, but also since it has a fan it’ll be more powerful than the air with longer battery.
The one thing I think is false is the thing about it having a Touch Bar, I don’t think that’s accurate
 
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It will be interesting to see how the M2 performs compared to the M1/pro/max and how they brand it. You’d imagine the m2 will be faster at single core stuff than the M1 but that would make no sense as it means it would also beat the m1pro at that. Guess we shall find out! M3 will probably be the next big release anyway.
Yes the M2 will beat the M1 Pro/Max at single core, just like the A14 beat the A12Z in single core.
 
Will people understand that the M2 is inferior to the M1 Pro? Apple is perhaps risking confusing potential buyers...

Did you see specific rumours about this?
I have little doubt that M2 will be less performing than a fully spec M1-Pro, but will it be "inferior" to the base 8/14 pro in everything but niche (video processing) applications?

For the majority of people a faster single core performance translates into a better experience.
 
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Still strikes me as strange that Apple will have M2 machines on the market at the same time as M1 Pro/Max machines.
Well, since the M1 Pro and Max are essentially a M1 with more of the same GPU and CPU cores, it makes sense to get the M2, and any new manufacturing processes it needs, right before going on to make more-of-the-same M2 Pros. Plus, if you're a serious user running demanding tasks, reliability and stability are just as important as bleeding-edge performance...

The Intel Xeon range typically runs a generation or two behind the Core i series in terms of core architecture, too. It's notable, though, that Intel have the i3,i5,i7.i9, Xeon etc. as their most prominent naming scheme, which is only about relative price points and target markets and stays consistent across processor generations.

Pragmatically speaking, I don't think many serious 14/16" MacBook Pro users will be planning on upgrading to M2 Pro versions within 6 months. However, people who bought a M1 Mini or Air in November 2020 might just be persuaded...

There's no technical problem - the M1 Pro should still thrash the M2 at multithreading and GPU-heavy work, which is the point of the "pro" processor - but the naming scheme does look like a marketing fail from people used to selling iPhones that get a new processor every September regular as clockwork.

The killer will be whether the 14/16" MBPs get a M2 pro this year - if they're going to be on an 18 month update cycle - by which time we'll be discussing M3 rumours - then Apple really will have fouled up their processor naming.
 
When will x86 emulation be implemented to run x86 virtual machines? That is what I care about.
 
Why? A very simple question - why confuse the entire lineup, with so many M1 Macs still to be released in the "two year transition," by releasing the M2 now, especially on such dated hardware? Wouldn't it be better to get all the way through the MacBook Pro with it's M1 Max (or MaxPlus, whatever) then start the M2 rollouts?
 
It will be interesting to see how the M2 performs compared to the M1/pro/max and how they brand it. You’d imagine the m2 will be faster at single core stuff than the M1 but that would make no sense as it means it would also beat the m1pro at that. Guess we shall find out! M3 will probably be the next big release anyway.
I mean we already have a comparison point.
Look at how the 2020 iPad Air (A14) compares to the 2020 iPad Pro (A12Z.)
It’ll be just like that
So my M1 16" MBP is set to arrive in about a month, and now they have the M2 coming out? :mad:
I feel like canceling my order and waiting for the M2 refresh, but that may take another year.
Releasing a new model every year decreases the value of the device.
I do like the idea of having the TouchBar, I do find it very useful.
Well your 16 inch most likely has an M1Pro or max, not a basic M1.
The M1 is the only processor being replaced, not the pro or the max. Those still have probably another year or so before they are updated, and will still outclass the basic M2
 
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Why does everyone hate the Touch Bar so much!
There are two types of people in the world: those who have the location of the Escape and function keys burned into their muscle memory because of the particular applications they happen to use, and those who don't. It's quite possible to use a Mac without ever laying your finger on a function key, in which case the touchbar must seem like a bonus, rather than a poor substitute.

So its not so much the touchbar, as the removal of the function keys (remember, the original touch bar omitted the escape key - it was restored with the 16 MBP).

Personally, I've never bothered to learn to type properly despite using computers all the time - probably to my detriment - so although a change to keyboard layout can still axewq rguba yo I do look at the keys from time to time. If you are a proper typist you just don't look at the keyboard so having a strip that you have to look at to know what the keys do in a particular context, and with zero tactile feedback, is a non-starter.

The other problem is that it's a bad idea to use an input method as discrimination between models - the touchbar might have benefitted from far wider and more innovative third party App support if it had been available across the range (which would have had to include external touchbar keyboards for people with desktop Macs or who use MacBook Pros with an external primary display).

...or, at least, there could have been a free, official, iPhone/iPad App that served as a touchbar.
 
Arguably it makes sense - there are folks who like the TouchBar so keeping it in the 13.3" model satisfies that market. And since there are no physical changes to the machine, it is easy enough to swap an M2 in to replace the M1.

Which makes me wonder will the Mac mini also stay unchanged and get M2, with the Mac mini Pro with the M1 Pro / M1 Max being the one with the new case that folks have been leaking images and CAD files of.
 
I know I'm in minority, but I think the Touch Bar is great. Maybe they are continuing to develop and improve.
I have never liked function keys.
I upgraded and now don't have the touch bar, but on my old macbook pro, when I didn't have it docked and the touch bar was reachable, I found it often really helpful in a lot of apps that took advantage of it, which were sadly too few.

I also can't say I miss it because 90% of the time, my Macbook Pro is docked on a stand. I kind of wish they would have added it to the wireless keyboard.
 
Arguably it makes sense - there are folks who like the TouchBar so keeping it in the 13.3" model satisfies that market. And since there are no physical changes to the machine, it is easy enough to swap an M2 in to replace the M1.

Which makes me wonder will the Mac mini also stay unchanged and get M2, with the Mac mini Pro with the M1 Pro / M1 Max being the one with the new case that folks have been leaking images and CAD files of.
I'd bet the supply chain is the reason for a processor refresh only. The manufacturing plants in China are short on workers like every country is this past year. Changing a manufacturing line and production process would have issues. On the other hand, components would be easier without the touch bar for the same reasons.

I think the plan was to change the form factor and they're putting it off to avoid production issues personally. The base model is looooong overdue for a full refresh, especially those bezels.
 
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One way to differentiate the entry level MBP from the MBA would be to give it 4 thunderbolt ports, but I am not sure the M2 chip can support that. Or maybe we may see the sd card return?

If the M2 is the approximately the same size die as the M1 then doubtful they can add to more TB controllers while at the same time making the GPU bigger and adding the ProRes en/decode. ( A14 -> A15 got bigger. )

A return of the SD Card would mean changing the case/chassis. There is a decent chance the main reason they are sticking to the same case , screen , etc is so that they can control costs and resource spend. If the industrial design team is off doing "small" Mini , larger screen iMac, and "half sizesd " Mac Pro ( and possibly thinning out the MBA even more ), then Apple could have just run out of design bandwidth. Likewise of the MBP 13" contractors all have production jigs to build the same exterior and non main logic board components then there is a no new spend there either. All they would need an incrementally updated M1 logical board to take the new package with the faster RAM. That would be "cheap" to do.

the MBP 13 two port has a fan. So if the M2 is slightly more of a thermal load for the chassis the fan makes it a non-issue. If Apple is off trying to design a new MBA chassis that has a razor thin buffer for thermal overrun than that would be the more risky product placement for early runs of M2 dies.



It’s also odd if the touchbar sticks around. Costs extra money to implement, and you don’t benefit from economies of scale by limiting it to just one model (which is likely less popular than the MBA).

You are trying to treat this as though the number of produced units is resetting to zero. If they are using old parts then those parts have already gone down the economies of scale curve. They/constructors would be reusing the same production jigs already have for 'old' chassis and other reused parts. That fixed cost R&D is already paid for. The touch bar screens haven't changed in a long time. Making more of those is just an incremental cost of what they have already made. Already have made 10's of millions of these. Yes there is incremental costs for making a million more but the "overhead" is already paid for.

When the A-series SoC migrates down to an entry level iPad it doesn't need for the iPad to pay for the R&D and production ramp for that A-series. It is an 'old' SoC and the economies of scale have largely already have kicked in to drop the unit price low enough to go into the lower priced (than an leading edge iPhone ).

If Apple is using the MBP 13" classic as a pipeline cleaner for the M2 then having lower volume than a MBA isn't necessarily a bad thing. If the M2 and A16 both share the same wafer production line even more so (e.g., on TSMC N4 . Not radically new but incrementally new. ). Volume is coming with other products. Apple doesn't need the MBP 13" to solely pay for the M2. Apple may not be about to ramp to very high volume both the M2 and A16 at the same time.

M1 MBP 13" of the M1 line probably could help also free up wafer starts for the M1 Pro/Max if need lots more of those for iMac or Mini Pro.


Just doesn’t make sense to retain the MBP. I expect a refresh of the MBA, Mac Mini, imac? Maybe iPad Pro?

It makes some sense.... saving money wise it is far more cost effective. Mostly using parts already well down the economies of scale curve saves money and is less disruptive in the current hiccupped supply chain. ( most of the contractors don't need new equipment. Just keep running same stuff they have been running. )

Same thing for a Mac Mini "Pro". If going to stuff a M1 Pro/Max into a Mini ... just use the current chassis. Apple could build a smaller chassis for the M2 ( M3, M4 , etc.), but the current one could be used for M1 Max with some internal adjustments.

A M2 Mini that had a more affordable price point than a MBA would be yet another high volume M2 consumer that probably would be best moved to after the A16 demand bubble; not before. The companies revenues are iPhone skewed so it is going to production priority if there is resource contention.

Similarly the iPad Pro has tighter thermal constraints for later (i.e. Fall) release for it would allow Apple more time to bin out thermally optimal dies for that product. If iPad Pro gets updated in September to M2 and then MBA and Mini in late October-early November that also spreads out the demand bubbles for the M2 over a broader range of 2022. If Apple doesn't want heavy shortages on die supply they'd would spend more months ( not weeks) of effort building stockpiles.
 
Why? A very simple question - why confuse the entire lineup, with so many M1 Macs still to be released in the "two year transition," by releasing the M2 now, especially on such dated hardware? Wouldn't it be better to get all the way through the MacBook Pro with it's M1 Max (or MaxPlus, whatever) then start the M2 rollouts?
Better question, why not?
Anyone who is going to purchase something like the rumored iMac Pro or the Mac Pro already know that the M2 is most definitely not gonna out perform their machine, and that something like an M2Pro is probably still a year or so away.
So with all of that in mind, why on earth would they delay the updates to their consumer lineup?
If the M2 is ready, why not start putting it in their lower end products, products that haven’t been updated in over a year?
Everyone knows the upcoming iMac Pro and Mac Pro are gonna use some form of the M1, that’s not a secret. And then sometime in 2023, they’ll probably get a cpu boost.
Apples consumer chips and pro chips will never be 100% aligned, just like Intels have never been 100% aligned. For example, the 2013 MacBook Air and MacBook Pro got Intel Haswell processors, where as the 2013 Mac Pro was still on Ivy Bridge. That’s just how it worked.
It’s gonna be similar here, the 2022 Mac Pro is gonna have some form of an M1Pro Max Mega+ ultra, while the 2022 MacBook Air gets the M2.
No one cares as long as they continue to show improvement.
It’s been the same with the iPads for years.
The iPhone got the A11 while The iPad was still on the A10X.
The iPad Air got the A14 while the Pro was still on the A12Z.
No one cared, it didn’t affect sales, or reception, or anything like that.
 
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Why not just call it the MacBook Pro SE because that is essentially what it is now.
 
I have little doubt that M2 will be less performing than a fully spec M1-Pro, but will it be "inferior" to the base 8/14 pro in everything but niche (video processing) applications?
"niche (video processing) applications" doesn't really account for all the reasons why a M1 Pro might be better than an M1/M2 but it's quite true that even the M1 is good enough for many people's use, and has expanded greatly on what you can do with a MacBook Air or low-end Mini.

If you're not using applications that scale well with the number of CPU and GPU cores then you will see rapidly diminishing returns from upgrading to an M1 Pro or Max vs. an M1, let alone an M2. An M1 Pro is probably not going to scroll through your spreadsheet any faster.

Even things like having more than 16GB of RAM or extra TB3/4 ports are really in the "if you don't have a specific reason why you would need them then you probably don't need them" category. I don't think we know yet whether the M2 will support more RAM, more ports, more displays etc. than the M1 - I'd kinda assume that it won't, but if it does then a lot of people will be perfectly well served by the M2.

...Apple will also have some freedom to trade off any extra performance of the M2 for battery life and/or thinner computers. "The first computer with 24-hour battery life" would be a great tag if they could achieve it by underclocking the M2 a bit.

For some people, a 15" M1/M2 MacBook Air or a 27" M1/M2 iMac would hit the spot perfectly. Presumably, Apple have done the market research and recon they can persuade enough "some people" to stump up for an over-powered system to get a bigger screen.
 
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