So... a non-common user error is a good reason to change an in-store warranty program?
I take it you've never heard of the "I accidentally" meme involving statements with missing verbs?
So... a non-common user error is a good reason to change an in-store warranty program?
A long time friend of mine works for Apple and I asked him about the whole repair vs. replace thing. I also showed him this thread he said he wasn't surprised by all the vitriolic responses.
Here's what he said:
-iPhone 5 was designed for easy "modular" repairs. Most take about 15-20 minutes and are performed by Geniuses in a controlled environment (ground straps, ESD mats, etc)
-The public response to iPhone repairs has been largely positive. Before, when everything was replaced with a refurb they would get countless people that had never backed up their data and would have to go home, back up and come back. Customers would get angry and ask why the entire phone had to be replaced for a stuck home button. "Why can't it just be fixed?!" was something he heard every day.
-There is an unbelievable amount of abuse of Apple's replacement policy. He said that resellers will buy scratched and dented (but still functional) iPhones on Craigslist that have a little bit of warranty left. Then they will open the phones, tamper with them (scrape tiny circuits off the logic board for example) so they don't power on and then come in for a shiny new replacement. Voila, they resell them for a lot of money. Modular repair negates that scheme for the most part.
-He said that for the most part, the people who throw the biggest fit about not wanting a repair over a replacement have scratched up or well worn phones and want the replacement solely for cosmetic reasons.
-He also said that despite people imagining evil intent behind making iPhones repairable the company really tries to do right by its customers. For example, if you ruined your 1st gen iPhone the only option was a $650 NIB phone. With subsequent generations customers were given the option of a service replacement for around $200. Now, people with an out-of-warranty phone will have the option of even lower-cost repairs. Crazy, right?
-He finished by saying that some people will never be happy and that if their big stand in life is to never buy another Apple product again due to iPhones being repaired then something bigger is wrong.
Hope this helps,
Kirsten
But why should I pay the same amount to cover my Mac as someone who has 5 iPhones, 3 iPads and 4 iMacs? The current AppleCare system has the "insurance" on the item, not on the household of Apple products. We don't pay for auto insurance based on our home / residence. Instead, we pay according to what is being insured. That's the way it should be.
btw- I have no AppleCare on any of my Apple products. They are past the AppleCare coverage period for each item - OR no AppleCare was ever purchased ('new' iPad, MBP). No repairs have been needed.
Somebody may have already pointed this out, but I think everybody is reading into it the wrong way. It still works the same way: You bring in your defective phone, Apple gives you a refurb and you're on your way. The only difference being rather than Apple sending the defects back to the factory or wherever to get repaired, they get fixed in the back of the store.Thus eliminating the fees for shipping, etc. I've never had to get a replacement on any Apple product so I'm not 100% sure how the system works, so I'm probably wrong.
Somebody may have already pointed this out, but I think everybody is reading into it the wrong way. It still works the same way: You bring in your defective phone, Apple gives you a refurb and you're on your way. The only difference being rather than Apple sending the defects back to the factory or wherever to get repaired, they get fixed in the back of the store.Thus eliminating the fees for shipping, etc. I've never had to get a replacement on any Apple product so I'm not 100% sure how the system works, so I'm probably wrong.
Standard warranty should be three years for everything, swap-out or repair, I don't really care...
my 5 broken Apple monitors, at 18 months old, that cost me a ****ing fortune, are now basically junk.
...oh and why didn't I buy Applecare on the monitors? It was more cost-effective to buy some 22" Samsung monitors with the cash (you get a built in 3-year warranty too and they're absolutely fantastic screens)
Apple. You don't need an extra billion a year. I thought you guys were more hyped over the 'consumer experience' rather than profits...
Nope.
I sure you could have found something better to do in your lunch break? Better get back to your job at the genius bar... Your secrets safe with me...![]()
terrible...
once something (laptop, phone, iPad, tablet, etc) is opened up, its never the same.
My instinct is this is overblown. I think they'll replace things IF YOU WANT THAT.
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It's crazy that AT&T's defective device policy now is MUCH better than apple's. With them, you don't need a premium service to get your phone replaced. Instead they just ship you one at no charge (rather fast) and send you the label to return your old one. No premium service or 30 dollar service charge.
Doesn't matter, every country has similar laws and as we discovered with the recent original iPhone article the tops in most countries is 5 years. A couple have 6 from the retailer if you can prove it was defective when you bought it, and maybe 3 plus a couple of US states have 7 under 'out of warranty'.
So as I said, you won't get it repaired for decades. Not even one decade depending on when you buy it v when it stops being sold
It's. A. Phone.
I found your post preposterous. Your "crazy artist" wants you to keep your original device? What's so "artisitic" about that?
If customers are made to wait more than a couple of hours, they should be provided with a loan iPhone at least.
It's only clever if its a reasonable price. If they want to charge you $20 a month, thats unacceptable given that most people will never need to use AppleCare, its money down the drain.
The whole reason we buy Apple products is the high build quality, and the assurance that:
A) If anything goes wrong in the first 3 years, it'll be fixed no questions asked.
B) They have an amazing resale value, meaning you can spend ~$300 every 2 years and get a brand new mac.
If these two points vanish (which they will if they move to a subscription model) theres no incentive not to just buy some high-end dell for half the price and install OS X onto it. All you're loosing is a status symbol on the desk, and you're saving a but load of cash in the process.
a long time friend of mine works for apple and i asked him about the whole repair vs. Replace thing. I also showed him this thread he said he wasn't surprised by all the vitriolic responses.
Here's what he said:
-iphone 5 was designed for easy "modular" repairs. Most take about 15-20 minutes and are performed by geniuses in a controlled environment (ground straps, esd mats, etc)
-the public response to iphone repairs has been largely positive. Before, when everything was replaced with a refurb they would get countless people that had never backed up their data and would have to go home, back up and come back. Customers would get angry and ask why the entire phone had to be replaced for a stuck home button. "why can't it just be fixed?!" was something he heard every day.
-there is an unbelievable amount of abuse of apple's replacement policy. He said that resellers will buy scratched and dented (but still functional) iphones on craigslist that have a little bit of warranty left. Then they will open the phones, tamper with them (scrape tiny circuits off the logic board for example) so they don't power on and then come in for a shiny new replacement. Voila, they resell them for a lot of money. Modular repair negates that scheme for the most part.
-he said that for the most part, the people who throw the biggest fit about not wanting a repair over a replacement have scratched up or well worn phones and want the replacement solely for cosmetic reasons.
-he also said that despite people imagining evil intent behind making iphones repairable the company really tries to do right by its customers. For example, if you ruined your 1st gen iphone the only option was a $650 nib phone. With subsequent generations customers were given the option of a service replacement for around $200. Now, people with an out-of-warranty phone will have the option of even lower-cost repairs. Crazy, right?
-he finished by saying that some people will never be happy and that if their big stand in life is to never buy another apple product again due to iphones being repaired then something bigger is wrong.
Hope this helps,
kirsten
If you buy electronics for its resale value then that is the wrong way of looking at things. Everything used goes down in value. Some more so than others. You are not making an investment. You are buying a consumable good. Just because Apple tended to retain its value longer and better than other companies products doesn't mean that it will do so forever. I really don't believe that it's in Apples best interest to help resellers. Apple wants its products in everyone's hands and they will continue to do what they can to achieve that goal.
It's crazy that AT&T's defective device policy now is MUCH better than apple's. With them, you don't need a premium service to get your phone replaced. Instead they just ship you one at no charge (rather fast) and send you the label to return your old one. No premium service or 30 dollar service charge.
Apple is transforming itself into a company that, instead of putting customer experience first as they did, aims to maximize profit.
One of the reasons I love Apple so much is that they swap out the phone with minimal fuss. This is also the reason why I recommend iPhone and iPad to my friends. Sadly, this will soon change if this is real.
And yet this policy doesn't apply to iPhones. AT&T makes you go to an apple store to get them fixed rather than replace them. I fought them for a half a day and they wouldn't budge. I finally had to go to apple for a fix.
The extend warranty price is hidden some place in that $2,400 contract you signed with AT&T.
So you recommend iPhone and iPad because its easy to swap out for a new one? Not because you feel it's a good phone? What an interesting way of buying products.
And yet this policy doesn't apply to iPhones. AT&T makes you go to an apple store to get them fixed rather than replace them. I fought them for a half a day and they wouldn't budge. I finally had to go to apple for a fix.