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My nearly 5 year old MacBook has been on its last limbs for quite some time, and it pretty much just crapped out on me yesterday. The trackpad/mouse button have become functionally unusable. Thing is, if I click the mouse button, computer thinks it stays depressed and the computer effectively locks up.

Just gotta survive for another week or so (hopefully not longer)!
 
Well we now have seen June 18th dates for the Mac Pro being in stock so I guess within the next 2 weeks they will have all the new Macs available :).



30"+ 4K monitors are in the $30,000-$50,000 price range. They will not be coming to the consumer market in the near future for affordable prices. 6-core CPUs currently run in the 130W TDP range and are not suitable for iMacs.

I'm not going to go off doubting what you are saying about the 30" + 4K monitors but I'd like you to site your source on this as this is probably the first any of us is hearing about it. Cars come for the price range typically that high but I'm sure Monitors in this day and age aren't that pricey! Especially Apple's!

Please share if you have a llegitimate source.

Thanks! :apple:
 
<opinion>WWDC: No redesign, no new Macs. Mostly software. Just spec bumps happening silently at most.</opinion>
 
I'm not going to go off doubting what you are saying about the 30" + 4K monitors but I'd like you to site your source on this as this is probably the first any of us is hearing about it. Cars come for the price range typically that high but I'm sure Monitors in this day and age aren't that pricey! Especially Apple's!

Please share if you have a llegitimate source.

Thanks! :apple:

Eizo DuraVision FDH3601 originally slated at $36,000, looks like it'll be more in the $30,000 region.

http://www.hardmac.com/news/2012/03/27/the-eizo-36-4k-display-to-become-available-soon

ViewSonic VP3280-LED suggested price at the end of the video is $30,000-$40,000

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/05/viewsonic-vp3280-led-4k-monitor-hands-on/

The only other 4K monitor that I know of (i.e that would go on your desk not a 55"+ TV) is the Astro DM-3428 which I've never seen available for purchase but pricing was well over $50,000 when they were first showing it off.
 
Eizo DuraVision FDH3601 originally slated at $36,000, looks like it'll be more in the $30,000 region.

http://www.hardmac.com/news/2012/03/27/the-eizo-36-4k-display-to-become-available-soon

ViewSonic VP3280-LED suggested price at the end of the video is $30,000-$40,000

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/05/viewsonic-vp3280-led-4k-monitor-hands-on/

The only other 4K monitor that I know of (i.e that would go on your desk not a 55"+ TV) is the Astro DM-3428 which I've never seen available for purchase but pricing was well over $50,000 when they were first showing it off.

Wow those are some nice monitors!

But for consumer, there's no movie content (yet). These kinds of displays are usually used in film production for color grading etc. right?
I was in post production facility 5 years back and they didn't use any monitors, they had 4K projector in dark room and were doing grading and adjustments on that.

Film industry had 4K resolution for years in post, some have even 8K which is said to match original camera negative in "pixel" density (well film stock does not have pixels) - they used some algorhitm to calculate it. But I don't think that this is anything for consumer/prosumer - there's still requirement of having super fast computers to handle the work at those resolutions.

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple was the company that'd introduce pro stuff to masses (like 4K-8K content), they have done it in past.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple was the company that'd introduce pro stuff to masses (like 4K-8K content), they have done it in past.

Wouldn't surprise me either, just don't think it's going to be for a while. The panel makers/TV manufacturers want to trickle in features and milk the market over and over so they aren't really in a rush to get 4K out there when they have 3D TV, LED, OLED etc. to introduce in a larger scale still. That is perhaps where Apple can step in.

And yes, as you say, this is all aimed at production for now which is why they can charge so much for 4K viewing devices be they monitors, TVs or projectors.
 
I've never really cared about an apple revealing event because I didn't care for macs in generally. But since I plan on making the switch this summer I'm very hyped. Monday can't come soon enough for me.
 
Don't they normally have a hands on showroom for new product?

So Tim could just wrap up with "one more thing"..."all new mac's released tomorrow and in the showroom for you to check up now."

True dat. I did think the one more thing was more of a Steve thing, and there hasn't been one for awhile... but we'll see I guess.
 
I've never really cared about an apple revealing event because I didn't care for macs in generally. But since I plan on making the switch this summer I'm very hyped. Monday can't come soon enough for me.

Yup, I just I hope I'm not let down and a new iMac isn't released..:eek::mad:
 
This is going to be one hell of a summer update.


Not only are all these Macs due for upgrades but there are a lot of software upgrades due as well.

Hmmmmmm:

Makes me think. If Retina display is going to be the new "thing" then Apple will need to launch with some apps already enabled for Retina.

iLife - Retina
iWork - Retina
Aperture 4 - Retina

Sign me up!

Or they could just take advantage of the extra pixels to give us more info on the same screen. Course that would make everything smaller. Not sure if I'm in favour of too much more pixel density. I'd just like more pixels, so I can see more detail, less scrolling of web pages, etc.

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This has to be their best kept secret in a while. We haven't seen ANY leaks for ANY of these Macs (at least to the best of my knowledge. please if there were leaks show me :)). This keeps me so curious and excited for these Macs. I think they'll drop the 13" Pro, lower the price of the 13" MBA and have only a 15" pro notebook at a more reasonable price.

No leaks, or no BS rumours? There are bazillions of iOS users and a few of us OSX users (relatively). The rumour mill serves where are the greatest numbers of readers. Otherwise they have no "papers" (blogs, etc) to sell to us readers. We, as a small constituency, get less press.

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It would make more sense to release these tomorrow as they indicated in the D10 interview ("what's being released next week?"). There is no way that in an hour and a half, they could go over iOS 6 and Mountain Lion AND introduce new hardware.

How hard is it to go over a hardware release for the PC's?

Here's the mini: it now comes with this chip, that RAM, these ports...
Here's the MBA; it now comes with this chip, that RAM, these ports...
Here's the MBP; it now comes with this chip, that RAM, these ports...
Here's the iMac; it now comes with this chip, that RAM, these ports...
Here's the Pro; it now comes with this chip, that RAM, these ports...

I can't see the hardware side, even if they've re-done the whole line, taking that long. Unlike the iOS devices, it's mostly about perfomance inhancements and technical tweaks, like upgrading to TB ports, etc. Not hard to relay. PC's have been around a while and there's not much more to change there, save these things. On the otherhand, iOS devices are relatively new and are still morphing at a high rate. Same thing with software and OS's (though obviously not new) Takes longer to go over these kinda things than the simple hardware upgrades.
 
the first release of "new" macs products are always faulty. wait the second gen.

I disagree with that. I got a first gen MacBook which is still working fine and a first gen Mac Pro which is also going strong (although I'll be looking to upgrade it if Apple announce Mac Pro updates at WWDC)
 
My nearly 5 year old MacBook has been on its last limbs for quite some time, and it pretty much just crapped out on me yesterday. The trackpad/mouse button have become functionally unusable. Thing is, if I click the mouse button, computer thinks it stays depressed and the computer effectively locks up.

Just gotta survive for another week or so (hopefully not longer)!

I'm in the same boat more or less- my 5 year old MBP has got to go soon. The screen no longer works and is now a "desktop" hooked up to my 30ACD. It's so sluggish when running Aperture now it's painful (lots of fist pounding on the desk :) and it can barley handle the illustrator/indesign work I throw at it now. I would love for apple to refresh it's desktop line. I'd be first in line for a Mac Mini "pro" (if I could afford a MacPro right now I would buy that). All I'd be asking for would be a quad-core processor and a decent/fast 512 or 1 gb graphics card with upgradable RAM to 16 gb (or 32 gb) --and still be able to use my own monitor. I eagerly await what WWDC will bring...
 
It would be awesome if they updated everything, New Mac Pro. ( I'm blowing 5-6k on one for no reason, I must have ).


And get rid of the Mac Mini :D

I'm not saying I LOVE the mini (it could be more robust)- but it's a nice option for a decently powerful desktop computer (that you can use a whatever monitor with) for those of us who can't "blow" 5-6k on a computer...
 
I'm not saying I LOVE the mini (it could be more robust)- but it's a nice option for a decently powerful desktop computer (that you can use a whatever monitor with) for those of us who can't "blow" 5-6k on a computer...

I wouldn't use the word powerful for the mini.

I don't hate anyone who uses it.

I do hate it. Its VERY expensive for what your getting, it cant be upgraded or expanded beyond ram, so your very limited on what you can do. Its a hateful little box.

Why not make it the size of a G4 cube and expandable?

No offense to anyone who owns one. But for the price of a Mini, you don't get much.
 
I'm hoping that they don't just update the Mac Pro. That box needs a redesign. A 60lb box that most people only have one hard drive and one video card installed? The huge box was necessary when it housed G5 cooling elements in 2/3rds of the box and the power supply was higher in the case.
The Xeons use much smaller cooling solutions. They could make the Mac Pro half as big and keep just as many ports, drive bays etc. They could even make the 2nd drive bay a combo 5.25"/3.5" bay and just not have any other internal drive bays past the optical HDD and combo bay. Besides, Apple seems to be getting rid of optical drives. The tower with space for TWO optical drives is anachronistic!
They should also start offering 4 CPU (16-32 cores!) as top of the line. There are PC workstations I can buy today that have this capability. We should at least get the 8 core models!

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I wouldn't use the word powerful for the mini.

I don't hate anyone who uses it.

I do hate it. Its VERY expensive for what your getting, it cant be upgraded or expanded beyond ram, so your very limited on what you can do. Its a hateful little box.

Why not make it the size of a G4 cube and expandable?

No offense to anyone who owns one. But for the price of a Mini, you don't get much.

Really? Care to show us a link to an example that any other computer maker builds that has any of the features of the mini? Firewire, internal PS, dual monitor support, wifi, BT and thunderbolt, in such a small form factor. It's actually a pretty good deal for getting into Mac OS.

I don't understand why folks have to diss certain mac models. I don't like the iMac, not for me. Apparently some folks love it. That's okay, I can still buy my mac mini and my MBP.
 
Eizo DuraVision FDH3601 originally slated at $36,000, looks like it'll be more in the $30,000 region.

http://www.hardmac.com/news/2012/03/27/the-eizo-36-4k-display-to-become-available-soon

ViewSonic VP3280-LED suggested price at the end of the video is $30,000-$40,000

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/05/viewsonic-vp3280-led-4k-monitor-hands-on/

The only other 4K monitor that I know of (i.e that would go on your desk not a 55"+ TV) is the Astro DM-3428 which I've never seen available for purchase but pricing was well over $50,000 when they were first showing it off.

Professional grade reference monitors such as those are hardly an indication of potential consumer prices.

Sharp has started mass producing a 32" 4K IGZO panel. I cannot see them doing that without a large potential market, which would mean a reasonable price. Wouldn't be surprised if the customer was Apple for a larger iMac.

Apple introduced retina displays to iOS at a cost that allowed them to not increase prices. HiDPI Macs would still not have the pixel density of the iPhone and iPad. And density is probably the bigger challenge compared to number of pixels.
 
I'm hoping that they don't just update the Mac Pro. That box needs a redesign. A 60lb box that most people only have one hard drive and one video card installed

Most Mac Pro owners I know who use Mac Pros have every drive bay taken up, size is not anything to worry about with a workstation. It literally doesn't matter. The case they have now looks great. No reason to change it.

They could make the Mac Pro half as big and keep just as many ports, drive bays etc. They could even make the 2nd drive bay a combo 5.25"/3.5" bay and just not have any other internal drive bays past the optical HDD and combo bay. Besides, Apple seems to be getting rid of optical drives. The tower with space for TWO optical drives is anachronistic!

Good point, I won't use optical drives very much, and I actually just use a USB drive when I use one, just because I really dont feel like reaching behind my 3 monitors and giant piles of hard drives lol. but instead of making the case smaller, why not add room for more internal storage?

Really? Care to show us a link to an example that any other computer maker builds that has any of the features of the mini? Firewire, internal PS, dual monitor support, wifi, BT and thunderbolt, in such a small form factor. It's actually a pretty good deal for getting into Mac OS.

I don't understand why folks have to diss certain mac models. I don't like the iMac, not for me. Apparently some folks love it. That's okay, I can still buy my mac mini and my MBP.

Firewire = No one uses this. Doesn't matter. It wouldn't surprise me, if Apple dumps it.

Thunderbolt = I'll give you that, I just see it as a Firefire 3 kinda deal. Won't be a huge standard, WAY to expensive. ( Aren't the cables 45 alone? )

As far as everything else goes.

Yeah.

There's this. ( I THINK it support Dual Monitors, like 80% sure. Could be wrong )

http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-x51/pd.aspx

And this

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_AMIGAmini.aspx

Neither are great, but I never understood the point of super tiny form factors. Its a desktop. I want desktop performance on my desktop. Not a laptop.

Its nothing personal against mini owners. If it works for you, thats great. I just don't understand the whole " its small! " thing. Its so pointless to have a desktop that small, who actually puts their desktop ON the desk? Ive had some shuttles which aren't that small, but still put em on the stand behind the desk. I just don't understand the need for a form factor that small.

There are a few minis in the department, never really used one. The only things I've noticed about them is that, yes they are small, yes they look nice. But, you seem REALLY limited on hardware, and they appear to run really noisey and hot.

And I diss it because I think its crap. Its my opinion. Which shouldn't matter to anyone. I always do recommend to people looking for a Mac who don't want to spend a lot. To A: Work harder and buy an iMac. Or B: Buy a used iMac.

I just don't see the Mac Mini as a capable machine for the money your spending. Sure, its really small. But is that size worth it? Hell I'd think an iMac would even take up less desk space than a Mac Mini.

If someone is REALLY Anal about desk space.

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_VicSlim.aspx

lol
 
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Sharp has started mass producing a 32" 4K IGZO panel. I cannot see them doing that without a large potential market,

Mass produced and large relative to what? To the $30K-40K monitors? or generic 13" TN panels?


At $7K Sharp's unit could sell many more than the $30K monitors. However, that still would be minor road-bump in the general PC market.





Apple introduced retina displays to iOS at a cost that allowed them to not increase prices.

That is in not small part offset by makng people pay $100 for 8GB , 16GB Flash storage increments that cost no where even close to that amount. For all of the retina advances on iOS devices the Flash storage capacity has gone no where while the underlying flash components have been dropping.

On more general laptops there is no component that Apple can massively mark up to offset the price increase of an very expensive screen.





HiDPI Macs would still not have the pixel density of the iPhone and iPad. And density is probably the bigger challenge compared to number of pixels.

No. More pixels at higher density is the problem. It will be harder to get panels with 10M pixels with no defects than it will be for a panel of 1M.
The density is lower but if the area is doubled the possibility of a defect can go up.

Generally in semconductor smaller areas lead to more tolerable yield rates. Extremely large areas leads to very expensive defect rates.
 
Don't they normally have a hands on showroom for new product?

So Tim could just wrap up with "one more thing"..."all new mac's released tomorrow and in the showroom for you to check up now."

That is not going to happen, If there is a redesigned 15" MBP they will talk about it on stage for sure, show the new commercial, the how they made it video, etc...

At this point, macs only get stage time when they are redesigned, only iPads and iPhones merit an event every time it seems.

Can't say I blame them since between the two it's 80% of apples revenu.

If its just refreshed macs with new guts and noon redesign he probably won't even mention it.
 
Mass produced and large relative to what? To the $30K-40K monitors? or generic 13" TN panels?


At $7K Sharp's unit could sell many more than the $30K monitors. However, that still would be minor road-bump in the general PC market.


How many people would want a 32" screen at such a high premium? Probably not enough for mass-production.

Who would buy such as screen at all? Probably not Film/ TV production companies as it is to small. Not PC users as Windows doesn't support it. Not TV viewers as the 4K advantage will be too small at 32", and there is no content. That leaves Mac users, where HiDPI graphics are present in the OS and strong rumours of Retina Macs.

That is in not small part offset by makng people pay $100 for 8GB , 16GB Flash storage increments that cost no where even close to that amount. For all of the retina advances on iOS devices the Flash storage capacity has gone no where while the underlying flash components have been dropping.

On more general laptops there is no component that Apple can massively mark up to offset the price increase of an very expensive screen.

RAM prices have fallen, the disappearance of the ODD. They will make some difference, although maybe not as much as Flash differences on iOS. But the iPad also had to contend with a much larger battery. If they had IGZO in there, that would not have been needed so much, so may not be so much of an issue on Mac laptops.

No. More pixels at higher density is the problem. It will be harder to get panels with 10M pixels with no defects than it will be for a panel of 1M.
The density is lower but if the area is doubled the possibility of a defect can go up.

Generally in semconductor smaller areas lead to more tolerable yield rates. Extremely large areas leads to very expensive defect rates.

Going to 8M pixels (4K) from 3M (iPad) is not quite such a big jump as the 10M from 1M you mentioned.

The iOS screen densities broke new ground. Large screens do not. Large screens at HiDPI densities will be a new combination, but it is not as groundbreaking.
 
Two new sizes in the iMac lineup. Sounds promising.
Hoping for a 30" or 32" inch iMac with 6 core cpu, usb3.0, thunderbolt and 4k resolution screen!

People keep beating on these points, yet 30" displays have become an oddball form factor. They were coming down in price long ago, but the ones that remain actually went up probably due to poor shipping volume. As for 6 core imacs, the only way you'd see one is if Apple suddenly decides to both change socket types and significantly redesign the machine. The only available 6 core cpus are made for a different chipset. You'd have a different chipset and totally different board design for the very top end of the imac line with everything else using the current socket type. You'd also be running Sandy Bridge E rather than Ivy unless you want to skip an entire cycle. 6 core Ivy won't be out this year. I just don't see Apple going that direction on it. The belief that we'll see a 6 core imac is more the idea that we should have one by now rather than an objective look at what components are produced. Heat is also a factor. While it's always possible they could try to cram more, they're currently running pretty close to their limit assuming you don't want to add noise or significantly adjust the internal layout.
 
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