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Apple to Use 'San Francisco' Apple Watch Font in iOS 9 and OS X 10.11

works for me, ive absolutely hated the text appearance of iOS7 + and Yosemite. it constantly looks to me like kerning and vertical spacing are off.
 
Gimme that Frisco

Yes, yes, yes! Hell, yes!

Got it for months now on my MacBook and it looks way better and more readable than Helvetiva.

:cool:
 
I guess I'm the only one who couldn't care less. I like them all and barely notice a difference...

It makes sense to make them all the same though. Can't wait for 10.11.
 
DevNull0 said:
Part of what made Apple great was the consistent experience, the tech improved, the interface improved, but the look and feel stayed the same as much as possible without hurting innovation. The Macs had a refined feel and for decades, everyone associated that noise with their great apple experiences.
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You just explained exactly what changing the fonts is. Keeping the same look and feel but refining it. What exactly are you complaining about? The chime is still there, the dock is still there, the menu bar is still there... The majority of people would never notice a font change.

These complaints are ridiculous. :rolleyes:

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ThomasJL said:
How about going back to the Jobs-era trend of innovating instead of copying Microsoft and Google? Specifically, I mean how about going back to the iOS 6 fonts and skeuomorphic design instead of continuing to copy Microsoft and Google's implementation of thin fonts and flat design?
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Are you joking? Android lollipop was obviously inspired from iOS 7.

Flat design is everywhere. It's in style and it's awesome. Apple would look ridiculous if they kept ugly a$$ skeuomorphism and 3d buttons.
 
bmd0019 said:
Shoot me now. I hate that font. :mad: It looks to much like Android. What is happening to my Apple, that I love.
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Every indication, unfortunately, is that the Apple we loved died with Steve. (Well, technically began to die as soon as Steve had to step back from his OCD iron-fisted control, but it sounds better the first way...) Maybe Apple's new slogan should be "Apple: When Steve died we literally lost our mind!"

Although I was not "sold" on the whole Steve Jobs fanboy thing during his life, I have to admit now that I've seen Apple without him, I'm convinced he was indeed the only truly brilliant mind at Apple. He really does seem to be the only person there who understood how to design software that was simultaneously beautiful, easy to use, and powerful. All Apple seems to be able to do now is make their software uglier, harder to use, and less powerful.
 
xmichaelp said:
ugly a$$ skeuomorphism and 3d buttons.
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Whether it's ugly or not is completely a matter of opinion. If forced to choose I would choose IOS6 and Snow Leopard as my personal favorites. But it's hard to separate whether I think they are actually "prettier" or simply because I prefer their ease-of-use and superior visibility (a fairly big component of ease of use I think everyone would admit).

As for skeuomorphism, it's incredibly useful to new computer users. It's allows users to equate what they see on the screen to something they understand in real life, instead of what is essentially "nonsense" until they learn it. I work every day in K-8 education (IT), and in the post-skeumorphism Apple era I see bright children struggle every day to perform tasks they picked up almost instantly before the current morons in charge at Apple decided that their particular (and by no means universal) sense of aesthetics should take precedent over common-sense and usability. Kids used to come into the school, often with little or no exposure to Apple software, and learn everything they really needed to know in just a few days. Now I see kids struggling to perform basic functions like scrolling through the Applications folder, which many now do using the ARROW KEYS because they can't find the effing scrollbars!!! And they do this for years! They NEVER figure it out because parts of the UI that used to make perfect sense are now close to nonsensical. So is skeumorphism all that important to long-time computer users and experts? Probably not. But it makes all the difference in the world to everyone else in the freaking world who uses a computer... Imagine how much harder it would have been if, when you started using computers, file management was done by putting "blobbits" into "fizbins" using lines and triangles instead of icons, and which looked nothing at all like files and folders in the first place. How about if, to put a "blobbit" into a "fizbin" you actually took the mouse and moved it in around the triangular "fizbin" in a counter-clockwise rotation three times?. How easy would that have been for most users? That's exactly what Apple's been busy doing with their UI by removing skeumorphism. Set your aesthetics and computer-elitism aside and put yourself in the shoes of "everyperson" trying to learn and use the Mac OS... Removal of common and useful references to real-life items (i.e. skeumorphism) shows quite plainly that those in charge at Apple are either completely misguided and incompetent, or simply give no ****** whatsoever about their user experience. Kind of like these poor creatures without the "thinky thinky bits" (you gotta watch to the end):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNqQL-1gZF8)
 
I'm staring at Yosemite and almost every icon and arrow on it is still the same idea that it was since forever. There are even some which I would argue are easier to understand (the box with the arrow coming out of it that indicates "send this to this/that place"). But there have always been icons that are not intuitive at all, if we're being frank:

What did the Finder icon ever mean? Nothing immediate about that unless you have the app name there. Mail? That's a stamp. If it were a useful reference, it would be an envelope (but what's it going to be after the volume and use of physical mail shrinks more and more?). The web browser, Safari? I'm a total newbie, what in the world does this compass icon thing do? Give me a world clock? Navigational bearings?


I really feel like ease of use here is doing just fine..
 
A nice way to preview how this might look is to go to Youtube. I've noticed they've recently started switching over all their text to Roboto (I think?), which looks very similar to San Francisco.

I'm hoping they don't switch to this for OSX and iOS, as it looks a little too digital and tech, if that makes sense.
 
I'm clearly a bit late to this thread, but I've been using the font as the default on my Retina iMac since last November. My rMBP is still on the default Helvetica Neue, and I can honestly say that this looks a lot better. Glad that Apple is making the switch.
 
neuropsychguy said:
Can we start a poll?

Clearly there are only two serious font options for Apple to use - Haettenschweiler or Comic Sans (yes, both in Microsoft Office products). If Apple decides to go with something else, I'm through with iOS for good.

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I set Comic Sans as the default font in MS Word - I print all my song lyrics at 16 point - it's the most readable font for me.

Style should always follow function.

Oh, and it's cute and friendly too ;)
 
panjandrum said:
Whether it's ugly or not is completely a matter of opinion. If forced to choose I would choose IOS6 and Snow Leopard as my personal favorites. But it's hard to separate whether I think they are actually "prettier" or simply because I prefer their ease-of-use and superior visibility (a fairly big component of ease of use I think everyone would admit).

As for skeuomorphism, it's incredibly useful to new computer users...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNqQL-1gZF8)
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I agree in principle about the purpose of design, although faux-leather was a bit too twee for my taste. The trend towards style over function is perplexing. Calcbot on my iPhone has updated to the new thin flat design and I can't tell the difference between the division and minus signs because the dots are about one pixel in size.

Another trend is to use - for example - tiny pale grey text on an off-white background for non essential text - but i can't even read it!
 
Some people will love this, some people will hate it, but I guarantee in 6 months after ios9 is released, nobody will notice the difference.

Also, those are mockups of what it might look like, not necessarily what it will look like. There will likely be weight and tracking and size and maybe even color adjustments.
 
WardC said:
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There was a time, long long ago...and there was a Typeface that defined a quality brand...now it's looking very soft indeed.
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This font made OS X look classy. It was accompanied by all those explanations of Jobs having taken typo classes to learn how proper typesetting makes a real difference in the quality of the user experience. Then Uncle Steve passes away, and they immediately just throw all that straight out the window, and go trend-following, replacing it with a poor MS/Android imitation aesthetic that looks cheap and flimsy.

If I could get this font back as my system font, I'd be more inclined to stay with OS X.
 
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I never liked the iOS 7/8 fonts that replaced what we had in iOS 6-. It's not just the appearance I have a problem with. I want the font to be decently thick so I don't have to strain my eyes to read the time! This new font looks better and is easier to read.
 
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