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Given the history (Apple was at least a year behind everybody with LTE) this rumor is hard not to believe. Whatever your arguments, they would be relevant only if Apple was not going to use 5G ever. But they will and it means that next year's iPhone model will be outdated from the get go. Unless you are suggesting that it is ok to succumb to the "old school carrier marketing ploy" in 2020 but not in 2019.
Yeah most apple fans have a negative attitude towards 5G simply because Apple won't use this tech next year.
The same happened with wireless charging if you remember and now every apple tech youtubers criticize android phones that don't have wireless charging(even if they cost less than 600$ and come with a fast charger in the box).

The smartphone market is quite competitive and people find each year fewer and fewer reasons to upgrade to the newest model. 5G slightly helps with this. There is also the fact that in 2020 apple's first generation 5G phone will have to compete with what it will be for most of the other manufacturers the second generation 5G phones. That doesn't sound great for Apple(especially if they will use Intel Modems).
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You mean how apple screens were deemed to be the most accurate on the planet?;) As far as “those same customers” have embraced oled, do you really know this or you’re throwing out a straw-man!
The funny thing is the Note 9 probably has the most accurate (smartphone)display on the planet. It's definitely better than the Xs Max, 0.5 JNCD vs 0.8 JNCD.
Galaxy S9's display was also more color accurate than the iphone x.
 
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Yeah most apple fans have a negative attitude towards 5G simply because Apple won't use this tech next year.
The same happened with wireless charging if you remember and now every apple tech youtubers criticize android phones that don't have wireless charging(even if they cost less than 600$ and come with a fast charger in the box).

The smartphone market is quite competitive and people find each year fewer and fewer reasons to upgrade to the newest model. 5G slightly helps with this. There is also the fact that in 2020 apple's first generation 5G phone will have to compete with what it will be for most of the other manufacturers the second generation 5G phones. That doesn't sound great for Apple(especially if they will use Intel Modems).
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The funny thing is the Note 9 probably has the most accurate (smartphone)display on the planet. It's definitely better than the Xs Max, 0.5 JNCD vs 0.8 JNCD.
Galaxy S9's display was also more color accurate than the iphone x.
I really like your style of counter-argument. Take something somebody says, eg about wireless charging. Then make it about every single user and then act as if they did a flip-flop when someone else says a positive thing about that same technology. It's a cute and endearing style of fallacious reasoning.;)

As far as the screen, sure we can go down the path of dissecting and parsing various metrics and comments, and in the end there will be no clear winner. Samsung fans hate losing the "best screen" moniker to apple fans.;)
 
Clearly someone reckons there are millions of folk out there just waiting to spend $£€¥ zillions on 5G contracts so they can... do what exactly? Stream Netflix movies, play multiplayer games while on the train / bus etc?

I’m reminded of the huge technology push to get on-demand in-flight entertainment working and yet the number of folks (in economy at least) that would rather sleep than watch crap seem not to be that interested.

Will the same be true of 5G I wonder? My 4G tariff £9 pm for 2GB of Data is not going to go very far re streaming a movie and 5G is going to cost £€$¥ zillions pm more...

No more cable TV or DSL. Maybe Google saw something like 5G coming along and that's why they dropped Google fiber.

From what I've read 5G will be like wifi in the house except the antenna will be located on a tower instead of one's own router. Companies could bypass the internet and update printers directly using 5G. It also means they could monitor how people use their products, which means loss of privacy. It's also inevitable that there will be attempts to monetize this information.
 
Do we now get a whole year of how manufacturers jumping to 5G battery slaying chips are "innovators" and Apple is foolish for not doing so?

You betchya.
 
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The reason apple will wait for 5g is because there is only 2 5g modems available today and for all of next year.

The Qualcomm x50 in the upcoming snapdragon 855 and the new Samsung exynos in the galaxy s10.

Intel does not have a modem yet and will not use a Qualcomm or Samsung modem.

Qualcomm is also going to be in a tight spot because Samsung has built it's own modem and the only reason it's using the snapdragon in the USA is because of CDMA .

Verizon has said it will end all CDMA bands by the end of 2019 so after next year Samsung won't need Qualcomm anymore.
 
The reason apple will wait for 5g is because there is only 2 5g modems available today and for all of next year.

The Qualcomm x50 in the upcoming snapdragon 855 and the new Samsung exynos in the galaxy s10.

Intel does not have a modem yet and will not use a Qualcomm or Samsung modem.

Qualcomm is also going to be in a tight spot because Samsung has built it's own modem and the only reason it's using the snapdragon in the USA is because of CDMA .

Verizon has said it will end all CDMA bands by the end of 2019 so after next year Samsung won't need Qualcomm anymore.
Nor should they use any manufacturers modems until they are refined enough to not shred battery life.
 
Nor should they use any manufacturers modems until they are refined enough to not shred battery life.

Tell that to apple the x30 in the galaxy so and Verizon iPhones blow the doors off of the Intel equivalent.

The sad par is Qualcomm modems are better than Samsung's and intels
 
Tell that to apple the x30 in the galaxy so and Verizon iPhones blow the doors off of the Intel equivalent.

The sad par is Qualcomm modems are better than Samsung's and intels
Sure, they’re a bit faster (personally I don’t care). I just remember the first 4G phones and how you could watch the battery drain in real time. Getting faster speeds by draining the battery rapidly is not an improvement in my book.

Note that’s just my personal opinion. I don’t use social media and I don’t stream so I can see how others may have the opposite opinion based on their own usage however.
 
"Apple has always been a laggard in cellular technology," said Mark Hung, an analyst at Gartner who spoke to Bloomberg.

I don't think apple is a Laggard at all. They take their time because they are making sure the networks are stable enough to handle their devices. if a cellular network in unreliable it will the apple look bad along with the cell carrier.
 
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Until the servers out there can support 5G on speed and others, the increased speed b/n the phone and mobile towers is not very meaningful. Further, until the 5G spec is clarified at the global level, it'd be crazy to jump into it prematurely.
 
At least we can agree on something Apple does right :) even if their products gen. 1 doesn't

Smaller market, that's probably why with Apple products.
 
I've got many bones to pick with Apple's overall product development strategy, but waiting until 2020 for 5G is not one of them. Two legit questions: 1) What percentage of consumers require mobile bandwidth greater than 4G/LTE right now? 2) What new services (or significant service enhancements) will be enabled by 5G before 2020?

Apple has cultivated a premium brand based on UX, design, simplicity, and stability with global appeal. Producing cutting edge hardware more often than not comes at the expense of the afore mentioned brand attributes, so no one should really be surprised Apple's late adoption of faster connectivity.
 
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I really like your style of counter-argument. Take something somebody says, eg about wireless charging. Then make it about every single user and then act as if they did a flip-flop when someone else says a positive thing about that same technology. It's a cute and endearing style of fallacious reasoning.;)

Well I guess that truth hurts.
Fallacious reasoning is you are doing in your attempt to describe my comment.
I didn't take anybody's single opinion regarding wireless charging(or how it was generally called by a lot of users on apple sites, inductive charging) I took the general negative sentiment that was displayed on these sites.
As far as the screen, sure we can go down the path of dissecting and parsing various metrics and comments, and in the end there will be no clear winner. Samsung fans hate losing the "best screen" moniker to apple fans.;)

How accurate are colors on a display is something that can be measured so of course I quote real numbers(from Displaymate to be more precise). It's not my problem you don't like facts.
 
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I would just like my wifi connect on my phone to be better...it still hands when checking mail. LTE is faster check mail then on wifi. something isn't right with the way iPhones handle wifi hand shake
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I’m really in no rush for 5g phones. I can’t reallt complain about the LTE speeds from AT&T in my area, it’s pretty damn quick already.

you must live no where near me.....
 
Classic Apple. Be the last one on the block to show up to the party, and charge the highest price for the honor.

Every product that could be out in 2019 is now pushed to 2020. Every other company will beat Apple to the punch.

"Think Different. Act much later."

Completely agree.
Although they don't even think different any more. Just refine their implementation of an already existing feature. Call it 'revolutionary', then market it at super high prices.
 
Did you become a fortune teller overnight???

Seems you got Apple figured out for next year!! Impressive.
Never mind the fact 5G over 4G has nothing to do with advanced tech. It’s going to be faster than what you use normally outside the home
 
Next year can you imagine up grading to the latest iPhone and it is still 4G? Worthless brick.
this effects apple fans looking to up grade than sell off their old iPhone. Can you imagine trying to sell an old 4g phone in a totally 5g market

apple should have, could have, made love not war with Qualcomm.

Verizon has finished physical construction of the 5g towers in my neighborhood
5g Home:
will provide medium quality residential home internet, maybe not giga bit but close. A new market for cell providers so expect it to roll out faster than expected. Maybe not in rural area but you guys still use 2g flip phones there any ways.
 
Well I guess that truth hurts.
Fallacious reasoning is you are doing in your attempt to describe my comment.
I didn't take anybody's single opinion regarding wireless charging(or how it was generally called by a lot of users on apple sites, inductive charging) I took the general negative sentiment that was displayed on these sites.
What hurts is reading the logical fallacies in your post made by constructing the facts based on generalized stereotypes.

How accurate are colors on a display is something that can be measured so of course I quote real numbers(from Displaymate to be more precise). It's not my problem you don't like facts.
It’s not my problem you ignore facts.
 
The apologies for not having 5G sounds a lot like not needing more than 1GB DRAM, 16GB storage or bigger than 3.5" display apologies.

Smart consumers, however, want future proofing so they don't have to prematurely upgrade yet to another phone when they realize 5G not only benefits faster data throughput but also better battery life since the radio can get the job done quicker and go back to low power idle state, works better in dense crowded areas without slowing to a crawl, etc.
 
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What hurts is reading the logical fallacies in your post made by constructing the facts based on generalized stereotypes.
Yeah I get it, truth hurts, you don't have to prove it to me one more time.

It’s not my problem you ignore facts.
The only one ignoring facts is you.
The Note 9 has a screen accuracy of 0.5 JNCD vs 0.8 JNCD Xs Max. And lower = better here.
So who has a more accurate screen or the most accurate screen?
 
Next year can you imagine up grading to the latest iPhone and it is still 4G? Worthless brick.
this effects apple fans looking to up grade than sell off their old iPhone. Can you imagine trying to sell an old 4g phone in a totally 5g market

apple should have, could have, made love not war with Qualcomm.

Verizon has finished physical construction of the 5g towers in my neighborhood
5g Home:
will provide medium quality residential home internet, maybe not giga bit but close. A new market for cell providers so expect it to roll out faster than expected. Maybe not in rural area but you guys still use 2g flip phones there any ways.

Nonsense.

Apple is waging war on Qualcomm and their entire business model. This is going to be a long, drawn out battle. In the short run, the benefits of 5g are still pretty minimal.

The best time to take on Qualcomm is now. No retreat, no surrender, no mercy!
 
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